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Hoofbite
07-08-2009, 02:39 PM
I was just reading an article about the state of the mafia in the US, and it stated that STL has a large mafia following.

Sodbuster
07-08-2009, 02:40 PM
I was just reading an article about the state of the mafia in the US, and it stated that STL has a large mafia following.

Were they talking about Facebook?

B.A.
07-08-2009, 02:41 PM
They meet in the basement of Favazza's.

007
07-08-2009, 02:41 PM
yep...definitely

Butler Hill Road
07-08-2009, 02:41 PM
I was just reading an article about the state of the mafia in the US, and it stated that STL has a large mafia following.

i unloaded tracter trailers back in the 80's. cant say it was mafia though. but today i wonder.

Master Splinter
07-08-2009, 02:42 PM
LegionarivissLucaToni knows a little something about this.

Hoofbite
07-08-2009, 02:42 PM
Were they talking about Facebook?Ha. Not mafia wars, but the real mafia

B.A.
07-08-2009, 02:43 PM
LegionarivissLucaToni knows a little something about this.Thanksgiving is huge in Sicily.

matlock2.0
07-08-2009, 02:45 PM
does the scissors gang mafia count?

Sodbuster
07-08-2009, 02:47 PM
LegionarivissLucaToni knows a little something about this.

If this were true, I'd be buried under Ball Park Village by now.

Bmac
07-08-2009, 02:47 PM
does the scissors game mafia count?

scissors game?

as in rock/paper/scissors mafia?

KDub
07-08-2009, 02:47 PM
does the scissors game mafia count?

Fuckin' matlock.

Hoofbite
07-08-2009, 02:47 PM
LegionarivissLucaToni knows a little something about this.He's his own family

does the scissors game mafia count?No

stl_constitutionalist
07-08-2009, 02:48 PM
yes, and I have a several reasons for this

Jesus Quintana
07-08-2009, 02:48 PM
From everything I ever read on the subject, no. First, the mafia never had a big grip over St. Louis anyway. In the 20s and 30s, the Hogans and Eagans were the biggest, with the Cukoos behind them. In the 70s it was Jimmy Michaels and Syrians. From what I understand, Trupiano was the last Mafia Don in St. Louis, and when he died its like six guys. KC and Detroit were a lot bigger mafia cities and had control over St. Louis

I do find it funny when I hear chicks say "Oh Johnny Vianney, his dad is in the mob." Just because your last name ends in a vowel and you hair has more grease than my engine, does not mean you are mobbed up.

Hoofbite
07-08-2009, 02:48 PM
scissors game?

as in rock/paper/scissors mafia?
It's Roechambeaux to the little people

itsvon
07-08-2009, 02:48 PM
i took an organized crime class in college and talked about this. its not the same mafia that is glorified in goodfellas, but there is still plenty of organized criminals around today.

Hoofbite
07-08-2009, 02:49 PM
From everything I ever read on the subject, no. First, the mafia never had a big grip over St. Louis anyway. In the 20s and 30s, the Hogans and Eagans were the biggest, with the Cukoos behind them. In the 70s it was Jimmy Michaels and Syrians. From what I understand, Trupiano was the last Mafia Don in St. Louis, and when he died its like six guys. KC and Detroit were a lot bigger mafia cities and had control over St. Louis

I do find it funny when I hear chicks say "Oh Johnny Vianney, his dad is in the mob." Just because your last name ends in a vowel and you hair has more grease than my engine, does not mean you are mobbed up.Nick Trupiano went to Vianney. His dad was still alive at the time, and I think his brothers were still involved

Flappy McB
07-08-2009, 02:51 PM
I think Pogue had some stories about the guys blowing each other up in the early 80's. The Leisures and some other family.

Jesus Quintana
07-08-2009, 02:52 PM
Tekken, I'd like to see this article you read. I have done a lot of searching on the internets and literally everything I have read has said thats its done in St. Louis and everyone who acts like they are in the mob are posers.

We havent had a good blowing up since Michaels and Leisures.

saygoodbye
07-08-2009, 02:52 PM
yes, and I have a several reasons for this

And they are?

Bmac
07-08-2009, 02:52 PM
when I worked for Johnny Gitto, he used to tell me stories about his brothers and his dad that were rather interesting.

KIEFER
07-08-2009, 02:53 PM
From everything I ever read on the subject, no. First, the mafia never had a big grip over St. Louis anyway. In the 20s and 30s, the Hogans and Eagans were the biggest, with the Cukoos behind them. In the 70s it was Jimmy Michaels and Syrians. From what I understand, Trupiano was the last Mafia Don in St. Louis, and when he died its like six guys. KC and Detroit were a lot bigger mafia cities and had control over St. Louis

I do find it funny when I hear chicks say "Oh Johnny Vianney, his dad is in the mob." Just because your last name ends in a vowel and you hair has more grease than my engine, does not mean you are mobbed up.

I am a bit of a mafia buff and this is pretty much what I have read.

itsvon
07-08-2009, 02:54 PM
I think Pogue had some stories about the guys blowing each other up in the early 80's. The Leisures and some other family.

yeah, mid 80s or something

Jesus Quintana
07-08-2009, 02:54 PM
Nick Trupiano went to Vianney. His dad was still alive at the time, and I think his brothers were still involved

There you go. However, I bet they dont do shit.

Hoofbite
07-08-2009, 02:54 PM
Tekken, I'd like to see this article you read. I have done a lot of searching on the internets and literally everything I have read has said thats its done in St. Louis and everyone who acts like they are in the mob are posers.

We havent had a good blowing up since Michaels and Leisures.

I'll go back and find it.

And who knows, maybe the mafioso in STL are all about being inconspicuous and don't draw a lot of attention

Cheezy E
07-08-2009, 02:55 PM
Probably so, but I bet they don't control much. I never, ever hear about it.

Jesus Quintana
07-08-2009, 02:55 PM
when I worked for Johnny Gitto, he used to tell me stories about his brothers and his dad that were rather interesting.

Call up Cusamano on his radio show and ask if his dad had to ever testify before a federal judge regarding a loan he made to Morry Shenker and some other individuals. I would like to hear what he would say.

KIEFER
07-08-2009, 02:55 PM
I'll go back and find it.

And who knows, maybe the mafioso in STL are all about being inconspicuous and don't draw a lot of attention

That, or you are once again completely wrong about something.

Bmac
07-08-2009, 02:56 PM
Call up Cusamano on his radio show and ask if his dad had to ever testify before a federal judge regarding a loan he made to Morry Shenker and some other individuals. I would like to hear what he would say.

awww...do I have to?

Sodbuster
07-08-2009, 02:56 PM
Probably so, but I bet they don't control much. I never, ever hear about it.

Broads are always the last to know.

Hoofbite
07-08-2009, 02:56 PM
There you go. However, I bet they dont do shit.

That was 10+ years ago. They're probably fat bocce ball playing mofos now

Flappy McB
07-08-2009, 02:56 PM
Probably so, but I bet they don't control much. I never, ever hear about it.Yeah, but you are Filipino, so why would you?

bgdog86
07-08-2009, 02:56 PM
Yes. I am talking beyond Italians also.

This is one of the biggest and strongest unions in the US. The mafia has always had their hands dipped in the union.

Jesus Quintana
07-08-2009, 02:56 PM
awww...do I have to?

Yes. Yes you do.

cards_252
07-08-2009, 02:58 PM
There are plenty of Itallian grease balls that claim to be involved for no other reason than an excuse for them being fat and greasy. There isn't anything going on in St. Louis.

Jesus Quintana
07-08-2009, 02:59 PM
That was 10+ years ago. They're probably fat bocce ball playing mofos now

Tekken - be proud of your Irish roots in St. Louis. The Hogans and Egans fucked up a bunch of shit during prohibition.

Bmac
07-08-2009, 02:59 PM
There are plenty of Itallian grease balls that claim to be involved for no other reason than an excuse for them being fat and greasy. There isn't anything going on in St. Louis.

bullshit, I just read somewhere that QT was going to start carrying Cannolis

Cheezy E
07-08-2009, 02:59 PM
Yeah, but you are Filipino, so why would you?

My mother's family is from Connecticut and her family used to own a bar and run numbers out of it and do other kinds of organized illegal activity. But my mom is totally not into the Italian community here. I think I asked her about it once and she made a distasteful face and said something about them being Sicilians.

cards_252
07-08-2009, 03:00 PM
bullshit, I just read somewhere that QT was going to start carrying Cannolis

Yeah, and then an overweight Italian dude wearing a track suit would walk in while some dork sits in the corner telling his friend that he heard that the guy was connected.

KIEFER
07-08-2009, 03:00 PM
Tekken - be proud of your Irish roots in St. Louis. The Hogans and Egans fucked up a bunch of shit during prohibition.

Yes they did, and old Jellyroll Hogan was nobody to be messed with.

DailyBalance
07-08-2009, 03:02 PM
My wife's distant uncle ran moonshine, prostitution and gambling out of his bar somewhere in hickville Tennessee. Wish I would have met the old man before he kicked it.

cards_252
07-08-2009, 03:02 PM
Fuckin' Hogans.

http://timstvshowcase.com/hogan1.jpg

itsvon
07-08-2009, 03:03 PM
just because cars arent blowing up and people arent being whacked left and right doesnt mean there isnt organized crime groups around. shit even the bosnians have a mafia.

KIEFER
07-08-2009, 03:04 PM
Hogan Gang:
The Hogan Gang was headed by Edward J. “Jellyroll” Hogan, Jr. and his brother James. “Jellyroll” was one of six sons born to St. Louis Police Officer Edward J. Hogan Sr. “Jellyroll,” born in 1886, like Thomas Egan, was involved in the political affairs of the city. He was elected to the legislature in 1916 as a state representative. After surviving the bootleg wars in St. Louis, Hogan continued in politics. In the 1930s, it was disclosed that one of Hogan’s legislative clerks on the state payroll was a St. Louis brewery worker who found it “unnecessary” to travel to the capital, Jefferson City, even once during the 1937 legislative session.

In 1941, Hogan was part of the Democratic effort to prevent St. Louis Republican and Governor-Elect Forrest C. Donnell from taking office by demanding a recount. The effort failed. Hogan remained in Democratic politics for 50 years, serving five terms in the state house and four terms in the state senate. In 1960, Hogan retired after being defeated by Theodore McNeal, the first Black man to be elected to the Missouri State Senate. In addition to his political position, Hogan was a business agent for a soft drink bottlers’ union. Hogan died at the age of 77 in 1963 after a short illness.

Imagine that, a corrupt person in St. Louis City politics, some things never change.

dingleberry
07-08-2009, 03:04 PM
just because cars arent blowing up and people arent being whacked left and right doesnt mean there isnt organized crime groups around. shit even the bosnians have a mafia.they meet nightly in wilmor park

cards_252
07-08-2009, 03:05 PM
Hogan Gang:
The Hogan Gang was headed by Edward J. “Jellyroll” Hogan, Jr. and his brother James. “Jellyroll” was one of six sons born to St. Louis Police Officer Edward J. Hogan Sr. “Jellyroll,” born in 1886, like Thomas Egan, was involved in the political affairs of the city. He was elected to the legislature in 1916 as a state representative. After surviving the bootleg wars in St. Louis, Hogan continued in politics. In the 1930s, it was disclosed that one of Hogan’s legislative clerks on the state payroll was a St. Louis brewery worker who found it “unnecessary” to travel to the capital, Jefferson City, even once during the 1937 legislative session.

In 1941, Hogan was part of the Democratic effort to prevent St. Louis Republican and Governor-Elect Forrest C. Donnell from taking office by demanding a recount. The effort failed. Hogan remained in Democratic politics for 50 years, serving five terms in the state house and four terms in the state senate. In 1960, Hogan retired after being defeated by Theodore McNeal, the first Black man to be elected to the Missouri State Senate. In addition to his political position, Hogan was a business agent for a soft drink bottlers’ union. Hogan died at the age of 77 in 1963 after a short illness.

Imagine that, a corrupt person in St. Louis City politics, some things never change.

You're right. Jellyroll was one bad motherfucker.

Hoofbite
07-08-2009, 03:06 PM
That, or you are once again completely wrong about something.

I didn't write the article. You are worse than my fiancee

cards_252
07-08-2009, 03:06 PM
they meet nightly in wilmor park

I heard the secret password is... spaghetti.

Johnny Utah
07-08-2009, 03:07 PM
Yeah, and then an overweight Italian dude wearing a track suit would walk in while some dork sits in the corner telling his friend that he heard that the guy was connected.

Remember when Lunar Rover Toni used to make up all kinds of stupid shit like, "they will literally kill you in Italy for eating Pizza Hut"?

Hoofbite
07-08-2009, 03:07 PM
Tekken - be proud of your Irish roots in St. Louis. The Hogans and Egans fucked up a bunch of shit during prohibition.
We had to have our liquor, damnit

KIEFER
07-08-2009, 03:07 PM
The link is to a chart of the St. Louis mafia, I have no idea how accurate it is.

http://realdealmafia.com/stlouischart.html

cards_252
07-08-2009, 03:07 PM
Remember when Lunar Rover Toni used to make up all kinds of stupid shit like, "they will literally kill you in Italy for eating Pizza Hut"?

Yeah, that guy was the worst.

KIEFER
07-08-2009, 03:08 PM
I didn't write the article. You are worse than my fiancee

This made me laugh.

cards_252
07-08-2009, 03:08 PM
But for real...

There is illegal gambling and whatnot going on downstairs at the Dry Dock, but I'm not going to douche out and say it's mafia activity.

DailyBalance
07-08-2009, 03:09 PM
Yeah, that guy was the worst.

Wasn't that the guy that had his head explode over Sodbuter saying something completely innocuous? That was awesome.

KIEFER
07-08-2009, 03:10 PM
You're right. Jellyroll was one bad motherfucker.

If you actually research it you would find that he was involved in one of the more bloody gang wars in St. Louis history.

East Side Jackalope
07-08-2009, 03:10 PM
But for real...

There is illegal gambling and whatnot going on downstairs at the Dry Dock, but I'm not going to douche out and say it's mafia activity.

I didn't even know that place had a downstairs. Interesting.

Flappy McB
07-08-2009, 03:11 PM
I went to an after hours private bar down by the Trophy Room that had what looked like some mob dudes, but that was 10 years ago at least.

Sodbuster
07-08-2009, 03:11 PM
Wasn't that the guy that had his head explode over Sodbuter saying something completely innocuous? That was awesome.

I think I made fun of MMA and he called me a punk bitch approximately 35 times in 15 minutes.

I really don't remember what I said.

cards_252
07-08-2009, 03:12 PM
I didn't even know that place had a downstairs. Interesting.

Yeah, there's a door leading to the basement right by the bathroom. You always see people walking down and back up but with no drinks or anything. I like to imagine there being a mini Indian casino down there.

Flappy McB
07-08-2009, 03:12 PM
I think I made fun of MMA and he called me a punk bitch approximately 35 times in 15 minutes.

I really don't remember what I said.It wasn't that, wasn't it something about the family in Columbia that was killed?

Sodbuster
07-08-2009, 03:13 PM
It wasn't that, wasn't it something about the family in Columbia that was killed?

Probably...but I think I worked in a MMA reference.

DailyBalance
07-08-2009, 03:14 PM
I think I made fun of MMA and he called me a punk bitch approximately 35 times in 15 minutes.

I really don't remember what I said.

At first I thought he was just joking around, but the last 10 or so posts he just completely lost all of his barrings. I don't think he's been back since.

Johnny Utah
07-08-2009, 03:14 PM
Yeah, that guy was the worst.

HA. Regarding the Dominos bread bowl deals.

+1

I'm pretty sure I would be banned from Italy for life if I got caught eating one of these creations....

I'm pretty sure nobody in Italy would care.

Fuck yeah they would....they banned a lot of non-Italian foods in Italy recently...

A street bum would probably pass on this crap...

bill s preston esq
07-08-2009, 03:14 PM
My mother's family is from Connecticut and her family used to own a bar and run numbers out of it and do other kinds of organized illegal activity. But my mom is totally not into the Italian community here. I think I asked her about it once and she made a distasteful face and said something about them being Sicilians.

and then she shot you in the kneecap.

East Side Jackalope
07-08-2009, 03:15 PM
Probably...but I think I worked in a MMA reference.

Or Chris Benoit. I can't remember.

frigate13
07-08-2009, 03:19 PM
My mother's family is from Connecticut and her family used to own a bar and run numbers out of it and do other kinds of organized illegal activity. But my mom is totally not into the Italian community here. I think I asked her about it once and she made a distasteful face and said something about them being Sicilians.

That's funny. Right after Racanelli's Pizza first opened on the Loop, I was talking to one of the guys who owned the joint, and asked him what he thought of the Italian food in STL. His response was a booming "Fucking Sicilians!" That was the first time I realized that the mainland Eye-talians looked with disfavor on the Island "Italians."

As to the question of whether the mafia still exists, a few years ago I was talking to my neighbor who is a Lieutenant in the STL Po-Po (he spent years on the Mobile Reserve), and he said there might be some two-bit kind of Organized Crime, but it had been broken up for the most part right after Liesure got blown up (in the 80's). And that "mafia" was mostly Lebanese. (I asked him this right after a really old (80-90 year old) Italian guy got shot and killed on a street corner on The Hill. There was rumor that it was related to some old mafia debt, but he thought that was a load of crap.)

However, he did say that the police were really concerned about the Bosnians starting some kind of organized crime. I haven't seen him for several years, and don't know the status with the Bosnians.

itsvon
07-08-2009, 03:20 PM
I heard the secret password is... spaghetti.
bosnians eat spaghetti?

The link is to a chart of the St. Louis mafia, I have no idea how accurate it is.

http://realdealmafia.com/stlouischart.html

well, going by the web address it seems pretty legit. about as legit as the fat grease ball you see sitting in the corner of a bar telling you hes in the mafia.

bgdog86
07-08-2009, 03:23 PM
That's funny. Right after Racanelli's Pizza first opened on the Loop, I was talking to one of the guys who owned the joint, and asked him what he thought of the Italian food in STL. His response was a booming "Fucking Sicilians!" That was the first time I realized that the mainland Eye-talians looked with disfavor on the Island "Italians."

As to the question of whether the mafia still exists, a few years ago I was talking to my neighbor who is a Lieutenant in the STL Po-Po (he spent years on the Mobile Reserve), and he said there might be some two-bit kind of Organized Crime, but it had been broken up for the most part right after Liesure got blown up (in the 80's). And that "mafia" was mostly Lebanese. (I asked him this right after a really old (80-90 year old) Italian guy got shot and killed on a street corner on The Hill. There was rumor that it was related to some old mafia debt, but he thought that was a load of crap.)

However, he did say that the police were really concerned about the Bosnians starting some kind of organized crime. I haven't seen him for several years, and don't know the status with the Bosnians.I am confident that there has recently been Lebanese mafia in St. Louis.

Sodbuster
07-08-2009, 03:26 PM
Probably...but I think I worked in a MMA reference.

I was right

It's too bad a good looking women and kids ended up with a psycho asshole -

I know...it's a shame she didn't settle down with a mixed martial arts fighter who flashes a knife at punks who piss him off at QT.

DailyBalance
07-08-2009, 03:27 PM
I was right

Awesome. Good find.

rfriday
07-08-2009, 03:27 PM
I am confident that there has recently been Lebanese mafia in St. Louis.
I'm sold.

bgdog86
07-08-2009, 03:32 PM
I'm sold.
Not selling anything. I just have had some experience with it through an old job.

Jesus Quintana
07-08-2009, 03:32 PM
I am confident that there has recently been Lebanese mafia in St. Louis.

I am surprised not a bigger deal is made about this with Slay given his family's history at St. Raymond's.

Curiously, Anthony Sansone, who is the CEO of the Sansone Group and owns a lot of property in STL, is Jimmy Michael's son-in-law. During the 60s or 70s, he worked for Mayor Cervantes. I wonder if there was any corruption going on there.

KIEFER
07-08-2009, 03:33 PM
bosnians eat spaghetti?



well, going by the web address it seems pretty legit. about as legit as the fat grease ball you see sitting in the corner of a bar telling you hes in the mafia.

You are probably right, but it was one of the few current references I could find, now you can find quite a bit on the old mafia, but not so much these days.

Cheezy E
07-08-2009, 03:33 PM
I know the Italians have done a great job keeping non-Italians out of The Hill. Don't know if that's still the case.

rfriday
07-08-2009, 03:35 PM
Not selling anything. I just have had some experience with it through an old job.
Just giving shit. I'm sure it's out there to some degree.

itsvon
07-08-2009, 03:45 PM
You are probably right, but it was one of the few current references I could find, now you can find quite a bit on the old mafia, but not so much these days.
i didnt even bother clicking. but ive done research myself looking for more recent activity. all my info was from a class in 2001 and what im told from people around here.

I know the Italians have done a great job keeping non-Italians out of The Hill. Don't know if that's still the case.
the italians that are still there do but they dont really control the other people once they move there. but they try to keep eachother from putting their houses on the market so they can find a family member or italian to move in.

concrete26
07-08-2009, 07:35 PM
I had a dude that said he was in the mafia fuck with me once, my dad served an arrest warrent on him, I have the same name as my father, so the guy got my name out of the phone book thinking it was my dad's number, left a real nasty message about how he could "take care of thing's" I called the guy back and told him I didn't know what the fuck he was talking about and if he ever came to my house i would smoke his ass then I would fuck his wife and kill her in front of his kid's, guy hung up, never herd from him again, country boy can survive, bitch!!

flatlander
07-08-2009, 07:49 PM
I had a dude that said he was in the mafia fuck with me once, my dad served an arrest warrent on him, I have the same name as my father, so the guy got my name out of the phone book thinking it was my dad's number, left a real nasty message about how he could "take care of thing's" I called the guy back and told him I didn't know what the fuck he was talking about and if he ever came to my house i would smoke his ass then I would fuck his wife and kill her in front of his kid's, guy hung up, never herd from him again, country boy can survive, bitch!!

You Eicholz'ed him? Shit.

bgdog86
07-08-2009, 07:50 PM
I had a dude that said he was in the mafia fuck with me once, my dad served an arrest warrent on him, I have the same name as my father, so the guy got my name out of the phone book thinking it was my dad's number, left a real nasty message about how he could "take care of thing's" I called the guy back and told him I didn't know what the fuck he was talking about and if he ever came to my house i would smoke his ass then I would fuck his wife and kill her in front of his kid's, guy hung up, never herd from him again, country boy can survive, bitch!!
Do you play softball and hit long towering HR's all the time?

East Side Jackalope
07-08-2009, 07:50 PM
I had a dude that said he was in the mafia fuck with me once, my dad served an arrest warrent on him, I have the same name as my father, so the guy got my name out of the phone book thinking it was my dad's number, left a real nasty message about how he could "take care of thing's" I called the guy back and told him I didn't know what the fuck he was talking about and if he ever came to my house i would smoke his ass then I would fuck his wife and kill her in front of his kid's, guy hung up, never herd from him again, country boy can survive, bitch!!

This soooooooooooo didn't happen.

kalvaitis007
07-08-2009, 07:51 PM
You Eicholz'ed him? Shit.

Nah, he said "wife" not "sister".

-K

saygoodbye
07-08-2009, 07:55 PM
Do you play softball and hit long towering HR's all the time?

Nice. I kinda miss ol' Marley.

gottis legends
07-08-2009, 08:14 PM
bosnians eat spaghetti?



well, going by the web address it seems pretty legit. about as legit as the fat grease ball you see sitting in the corner of a bar telling you hes in the mafia.




I believe there are a few names on this list that had some interest in the mafia. Anthony (tony) Lopipardo


was co- owner of a well known wise guy hang out at the time in the 30s (Anthony Novelty & Vending Company) Anthony (james) Lopipardo was the other owner and he was big in the mafia back in the day!.

I am not aware of any major action anymore here in St.Louis but I do know they still are very active in K.C.

Josh Lyman
07-08-2009, 08:15 PM
I dont feel like looking through 9 pages....is there a link to the original story anywhere?

itsvon
07-08-2009, 08:19 PM
I believe there are a few names on this list that had some interest in the mafia. Anthony (tony) Lopipardo


was co- owner of a well known wise guy hang out at the time in the 30s (Anthony Novelty & Vending Company) Anthony (james) Lopipardo was the other owner and he was big in the mafia back in the day!.

I am not aware of any major action anymore here in St.Louis but I do know they still are very active in K.C.
yeah, i was mostly just giving kiefer shit

I dont feel like looking through 9 pages....is there a link to the original story anywhere?

dont think so

Big Al
07-08-2009, 08:24 PM
no

mattp19
07-08-2009, 08:34 PM
However, he did say that the police were really concerned about the Bosnians starting some kind of organized crime. I haven't seen him for several years, and don't know the status with the Bosnians.

The Bosnians suck!

Goosie
07-08-2009, 11:12 PM
just because cars arent blowing up and people arent being whacked left and right doesnt mean there isnt organized crime groups around. shit even the bosnians have a mafia.

But for real...

There is illegal gambling and whatnot going on downstairs at the Dry Dock.

Both of these statements are accurate.

The Leisures were heavily involved in the 80's and 90's and there are two families that are still involved that I know of.

It does exist in St. Louis. Don't be naive.

crsman2
07-08-2009, 11:55 PM
Some of the Cammaratas lived a block away from me as a kid and I was over there all the time playing guns and crap. There was some questionable stuff going on, I guess, now that I look back....real questionable.

The Sansone name has been brought up all the time since I was in middle school...I dunno anything about that.*