What would you do?

[Goosie]

I am having a hard time relating to these hands of calling $2 or not. So I'll throw this out at you.

It's a 20/40 structured game. You are on the button (and are $500 in up chips). Action gets folded to you. You have 3-3. You raise to 40 to try and buy the blinds (with not a bad hand imo). SB calls, and BB calls.

SB playing a pretty good game. BB has been playing pretty loose.

Flop comes A-2-4. SB checks. BB bets 20. At this point, what do you do? Fold, call, or raise?

I'll continue after I get a few answers. If you need any other info, let me know.

[werneae]

I call in this spot.

[Doug Fieselman]

I am having a hard time relating to these hands of calling $2 or not. So I'll throw this out at you.

It's a 20/40 structured game. You are on the button (and are $500 in up chips). Action gets folded to you. You have 3-3. You raise to 40 to try and buy the blinds (with not a bad hand imo). SB calls, and BB calls.

SB playing a pretty good game. BB has been playing pretty loose.

Flop comes A-2-4. SB checks. BB bets 20. At this point, what do you do? Fold, call, or raise?

I'll continue after I get a few answers. If you need any other info, let me know.


You've said BB is loose. Have you seen him bluff, or play draws aggressively?

As with most poker decision, the answer is "it depends" It depends on villain's tendancies - can he lay down an A, a 4, or a 2? Is he a calling station? It also depends on how the SB plays as we have to worry about him raising or 3-betting.

Without much info on the villain, we'll call him an unkown. His range is probably pretty wide open. With a range that contains a weak-to-middle kicker ace, a reasonable hand with a 4 in it, a reasonable hand with a 3 in it (ATs-A2s,K4s-K3s,Q3s,64s,54s,43s,ATo-A2o,K4o-K3o,Q3o,64o,54o,43o) gives him 72.8% equity. (I assumed a random rainbow flop), so we are behind his range at the moment.

On the other hand, you are getting what, 6:1 on your call. You have 4 outs to your gut shot and 2 outs to trips (which may give someone a str8, so I'd discount that to 1 out) which gives about 5 outs plus a chance that you are actually ahead (but vulnerable). You are 4:1 against improving your hand with 2 cards to come.

Given the pot odds and the fact that you could be ahead, I think it is petty clear that you can't fold (you could do that w/out all the equity crap I just did). So do we just call or raise? If the villain isn't a calling station, I think think raising and keeping the initiative is the play. The SB should fold if he missed or has only a weak hand for fear of getting in the middle of a raising war. If BB re-raises or calls, you are probably behind but have outs and can re-evaluate on the turn.

If, on the other hand, villain is a calling station and we aren't too afraid that SB will raise, I think a call would be better.

So, it depends. Feel free to rip my analysis into tiny little pieces.

[Goosie]

I call in this spot.

Which is what I did. Turn comes a 5. I have the straight. He bets $40. I raise to $80, he re-reraises to $120. I call, thinking he has a set and I could get beat. River comes a 9. He checks. I bet $40. He calls. Shows A-A, for a set, I hit the straight. He bitched about that hand for 2 hours. Everytime I raised thereafter, he called no matter what he had. He was on tilt and I think he might of called me down to the river once and beat me. Otherwise, he folded the hand. It was funny.

[saygoodbye]

Which is what I did. Turn comes a 5. I have the straight. He bets $40. I raise to $80, he re-reraises to $120. I call, thinking he has a set and I could get beat. River comes a 9. He checks. I bet $40. He calls. Shows A-A, for a set, I hit the straight. He bitched about that hand for 2 hours. Everytime I raised thereafter, he called no matter what he had. He was on tilt and I think he might of called me down to the river once and beat me. Otherwise, he folded the hand. It was funny.

He's an idiot for slowplaying the aces so badly, particularly with a board like that. He has no one to blame but himself.

[Solo83]

He's an idiot for slowplaying the aces so badly, particularly with a board like that. He has no one to blame but himself.Other than not raising pre-flop, he really didn't slow-play it. But still, he played it weird. If I were him, I would've re-raised pre-flop. If I didn't re-raise, I would've check/raised the pre-flop raiser after the flop comes.

Basically, I don't like the way the guy played it at all.

[saygoodbye]

Other than not raising pre-flop, he really didn't slow-play it. But still, he played it weird. If I were him, I would've re-raised pre-flop. If I didn't re-raise, I would've check/raised the pre-flop raiser after the flop comes.

Basically, I don't like the way the guy played it at all.


Nevermind, I was thinking NL. I play very little limit poker, so the $20 post flop made me immediately think slow play.