The Official College Conference Realignment Thread - ND to ACC... kinda

[BfromV]

I think I would be all for it. Fuck the Southwest schools. I'm tired of getting dicked around and having shitty bowl match-ups.

http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/571

If Big 10 Called, Missouri Would Listen

There, did that headline get your attention?

It should get the attention of the Big 12 Conference, of which Missouri is now a largely ignored member.

And, more importantly, it isn't just some ploy to gain leverage with the power brokers of the Big 12 - Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Nebraska - and the rest of the New Southwest Conference.

If the Big 10 calls, Missouri WILL listen and with an enthusiastic ear.
I've been told exactly that by numerous sources close to and within Mizzou.

Missouri officials - although they have not yet openly gone beyond admitting they are frustrated by the Big 12 Conference bowl selection process - know the school is a second-class citizen in the monster that gobbled up the old Big Eight.

There is a reason that any change in Big 12 Conference bylaws - such as forcing bowls to follow a selection process based on performance rather than ticket talk - requires a 9-3 vote.

The Money Schools and the remaining Texas-based members of the New Southwest Conference like things just the way they are:

Regionalism and tradition favor the Texas schools plus only Nebraska in the North Division.

The reason put forward that Missouri officials don't pick up the telephone and make that call? Well, what of public perception if the Big 10 were to say no?

To that, I offer a hearty "Who Cares?"

Could the situation within the Big 12 Conference be any worse that three years running the Missouri football team being publicly slighted by being sent to a lower bowl than it has earned?

Mike Alden, MU athletic director, told me any comment on such matters should be left to upper level administration.

I've put in a call to UMC Chancellor Brady Deaton, and will likely hear back, but I don't expect Deaton to go on the record with a strident warning of secession.

That's not the way Deaton works.

Just this morning, I received an e-mail from a Raymore resident named Chris Shaw, who has a blog devoted to the reasons why Missouri would be a good fit into the Big 10.

Here's a link to his blog:
http://big10mizzou.blogspot.com/

Any comments you leave there I'd appreciate you sharing here as well.
Personally, I wish Missouri would just come out publicly and speak to the frustration felt by its fans and its coaches.
Missouri Coach Gary Pinkel has posted a letter at MUTigers.com basically pleading with MU football fans to buy tickets to the Texas Bowl, for donation in the event you cannot attend the Dec. 31 bowl game against Navy.

Here's a link to that letter and the donation program:
http://www.mutigers.com/

A similar plea has gone out from Iowa State, a 6-6 team that jumped over Missouri by the Insight Bowl this year because Insight officials remembered 20,000 or more Cyclone fans attending a previous Insight affair.
What are the chances the Big 10 would invite Missouri into its fold?
Well, the Big 10 has always coveted Notre Dame. But Notre Dame has never seen a need to return the feeling.

Pitt and Rutgers are schools commonly referenced as possible new members of the Big 10 should that league expand.

Missouri - with the TV markets of St. Louis and Kansas City - makes as much sense as the latter two of those schools.

Before all my Big Red fans blow a gasket, Nebraska has also been mentioned as a candidate for movement to the Big 10. Nebraska football, perhaps even volleyball, would be a welcome addition to the Big 10. And Nebraska is close enough to Kansas City to claim delivery of that TV market to the Big 10.

Recently, Wisconsin AD Barry Alvarez made a case for Big 10 expansion.
You can see that in this link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/...=rss&source...

But to me, moving to the Big 10 isn't as important to Missouri as making a public issue of the possibility that it MIGHT move to the Big 10.
When I recently hammered the Big 12 Conference for its current and future bowl matchups, I got a quick call from two Big 12 office officials within 24 hours.

Heck, if Missouri can produce that kind of attention out of the Big 12, perhaps it ought to say it is considering taking Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska and Colorado with it to turn the Big 10 into a super conference that would leave the New Southwest Conference to what it once was.
The Old Southwest Conference, which was saved when the Big Eight Conference foolishly welcomed Texas and Texas A&M and the rest into its fold.

[Master Splinter]

The Missouri Valley might have a spot open.

[Hawkeye]

I'd be up for this. TCU then moves to the Big 12. Everybody is happy.

[Art Vandelay]

I don't think the bowl selection process changes or is different in the Big 10. I think the #1 benefit to going to the big 10 is how revenue is distributed. I believe revenue is distributed more evenly in the big 10, where as the big school's hoard all the big 12 money.

[-KFB-]

A move to the Big Ten would mean you Mizzou fans would be able to watch football/basketball games on TV without having to buy them on pay-per-view.

[BfromV]

Not so, Art. They split their revenue evenly.

The advantages are huge for both side. Big 10+2 would capture two fairly good sized TV markets in STL and KC. They'd also be able to have a conference championship game, which generates bundles of money, too.

For MU, they would stopped getting fucked by the South schools. Plus, your bowl games are on at better times... Big 12 doesn't have a single New Years day bowl this year. Plus, the Big 10 has a better standing academically.

I think this would be huge for college football in St. Louis, too. It would become a far more relevant and discussed topic.

[Art Vandelay]

A move to the Big Ten would mean you Mizzou fans would be able to watch football/basketball games on TV without having to buy them on pay-per-view.

I would love it, makes this a big 10 market, charter would then get the big 10 here like they have in their other markets. But what would be the rivalry trophy between Northwestern and Mizzou?

[Leon]

Is there a reason Iowa State isn't in the Big 10?

[Art Vandelay]

Not so, Art. They split their revenue evenly.

The advantages are huge for both side. Big 10+2 would capture two fairly good sized TV markets in STL and KC. They'd also be able to have a conference championship game, which generates bundles of money, too.

For MU, they would stopped getting fucked by the South schools. Plus, your bowl games are on at better times... Big 12 doesn't have a single New Years day bowl this year. Plus, the Big 10 has a better standing academically.

I think this would be huge for college football in St. Louis, too. It would become a far more relevant and discussed topic.

huh, I thought I read differently a while ago. I am sure I am wrong. I imagine that their is more revenue coming in with the Big 10 having their own network though.
I'm not sure how well a championship game benefits the big 10. I think they get more teams into the bcs because of no championship game as compared to otherwise.

[-KFB-]

Is there a reason Iowa State isn't in the Big 10?

Yes, one shitty team from Iowa is enough

[Art Vandelay]

Is there a reason Iowa State isn't in the Big 10?

why would they be?

[fatkid]

I would love it, makes this a big 10 market, charter would then get the big 10 here like they have in their other markets. But what would be the rivalry trophy between Northwestern and Mizzou?


ummm......Illinois?

[Leon]

why would they be?

I don't know. Iowa is there. It's pretty far north and east. Something like a TCU seems more appropriate.

Then again, I'm one of those people who likes their divisions to be geographically correct (like why are the dallas cowboys in the nfc east?)

[Hawkeye]

I don't know. Iowa is there. It's pretty far north and east. Something like a TCU seems more appropriate.

Then again, I'm one of those people who likes their divisions to be geographically correct (like why are the dallas cowboys in the nfc east?)

I understand what you are saying, but I guess it is just the way it is. Georgia is in the SEC, but Georgia Tech is in the ACC. Same thing with Florida and Florida State.

[BfromV]

Iowa State is simply garbage. At least Mizzou has solid football and basketball programs. Plus, they offer two relatively big TV markets in St. Louis and KC. Iowa State offer Aimes. Enough said.

[Art Vandelay]

ummm......Illinois?

clearly. but I'm not talking about Illinois am I? You can have rivalry trophies with multiple schools. Besides, in the Big 10 you have two rivalry teams that never come off your schedule (current format... would change with 12 teams i'm sure). These are two of the top Journalism schools in the country. What would be the trophy... A notepad?

[BfromV]

huh, I thought I read differently a while ago. I am sure I am wrong. I imagine that their is more revenue coming in with the Big 10 having their own network though.
I'm not sure how well a championship game benefits the big 10. I think they get more teams into the bcs because of no championship game as compared to otherwise.


Easy: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

That's why Barry Alvarez and many others are pining for a 12th team.

[BfromV]

clearly. but I'm not talking about Illinois am I? You can have rivalry trophies with multiple schools. Besides, in the Big 10 you have two rivalry teams that never come off your schedule (current format... would change with 12 teams i'm sure). These are two of the top Journalism schools in the country. What would be the trophy... A notepad?

That would change. The new conference would likely have two, six-team divisions. You would play the five in your division every year; then, you would rotate the three you played in the other division every two years. That's how the Big XII does it, and it works out well.


And, maybe MU and Northwestern could fight for a bronze typewriter?

[Art Vandelay]

I don't know. Iowa is there. It's pretty far north and east. Something like a TCU seems more appropriate.

Then again, I'm one of those people who likes their divisions to be geographically correct (like why are the dallas cowboys in the nfc east?)

Iowa didn't even want to play Iowa state until state legislature made them back in 1979. Fuck them. They really aren't a fit for the big 10 though.

[Leon]

Iowa didn't even want to play Iowa state until state legislature made them back in 1979. Fuck them. They really aren't a fit for the big 10 though.

That's fine. I'm just a fan of regional rivalries. It'd be cool if Fla, FSU and the U were all in the same conference. In my opinion at least.

[Art Vandelay]

That's fine. I'm just a fan of regional rivalries. It'd be cool if Fla, FSU and the U were all in the same conference. In my opinion at least.

you are correct. but conferences spread out for the purposes of money. Enter as many markets as possible.

[BigAlCardsFan]

Mizzou in the Rose Bowl... Nice..

[Art Vandelay]

Mizzou in the Rose Bowl... Nice..

that sounds weird, so I giggled. sorry.

[Leon]

I would think "M-I-Z" fan would be leery about leaving behind the KU and Nebraska rivalries.

[BigAlCardsFan]

I agree... But I'd take it.. Go out there, beat USC.. See the Rose Parade.. (I'm talking about them, not me..)

[BfromV]

I would think "M-I-Z" fan would be leery about leaving behind the KU and Nebraska rivalries.



THey would more than likely schedule nonconference games with KU in both Bball and football, no doubt. The Nebraska rivalry would die... that's about the only set back that I can see.

[Art Vandelay]

I would think "M-I-Z" fan would be leery about leaving behind the KU and Nebraska rivalries.

you can make KU an annual rivalry game. schools do that sometimes for non conference opponents.

[BfromV]

that sounds weird, so I giggled. sorry.

Hey now. MU would be a big player in the Big 10 (or whatever the conference would then be called).

[Art Vandelay]

THey would more than likely schedule nonconference games with KU in both Bball and football, no doubt. The Nebraska rivalry would die... that's about the only set back that I can see.

so It is a trade of Nebraska for Illinois. Seems alright.

[beercats2000]

Mizzou/Illinois still wouldn't be rivalry.

-Illinois fans?

[BfromV]

so It is a trade of Nebraska for Illinois. Seems alright.

I see Illinois and Kansas as the big trade. Each school would fill the other schools shoes. Mizzou would need to find it's new secondary rival... at least in football. I could see it easily becoming Iowa.

Here are the proposed divisions, by the way:

West: Minnesota, Iowa, Mizzou, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin

East: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, Indiana

Looks good to me.

[Leon]

Mizzou/Illinois still wouldn't be rivalry.

-Illinois fans?

Uncle Mike Tupelo in South City with the chime-in.

[beercats2000]

I see Illinois and Kansas as the big trade. Each school would fill the other schools shoes. Mizzou would need to find it's new secondary rival... at least in football. I could see it easily becoming Iowa.

Here are the proposed divisions, by the way:

West: Minnesota, Iowa, Mizzou, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin

East: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, Indiana

Looks good to me.


I like it.

[Hawkeye]

I like it.

The Eatern Division would have more of the traditional football powerhouses. I hope the west wouldn't turn into the Big 12 North.

[BfromV]

It would probably take three or more years for this to happen, but it's an interesting thought. I know I would likely go to more road games... just to see the new college towns.

[mjonns]

I like it.
I agree. If you put Michigan and OSU in different divisions they wouldnt play each other every year and that would suck.

part of me loves this b/c Mizzou can do better in the Big 10. A part of me would really really miss the big 8/ big 12 tradition though.

like we wouldnt be rivals with KU anymore? that would kind of suck

[flatlander]

I'd be okay with it, but it doesn't get me all hot and bothered, either.

[Chief]

Here are the proposed divisions, by the way:

West: Minnesota, Iowa, Mizzou, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin

East: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, Indiana



Hate it.

This would result in the same situation you have now with the Big XII.

[BfromV]

Hate it.

This would result in the same situation you have now with the Big XII.


You don't think the west schools could sustain some success?

What other problems are there?

[flatlander]

Hate it.

This would result in the same situation you have now with the Big XII.

The West would become the also-rans? (in football anyway)

[itsvon]

The Eatern Division would have more of the traditional football powerhouses. I hope the west wouldn't turn into the Big 12 North.

yeah, i see that happening as well. but i dont think there is much you could do about that. who from the east could you put into the west.

[BfromV]

The West would become the also-rans? (in football anyway)

Boy, Iowa and Wisconsion have been pretty consistent football programs. Mizzou is a big time up and comer. I don't see it as a garbage division in the least.

In the East, you pretty much have Ohio St and Penn St. Michigan is shit now.

[mjonns]

Boy, Iowa and Wisconsion have been pretty consistent football programs. Mizzou is a big time up and comer. I don't see it as a garbage division in the least.

In the East, you pretty much have Ohio St and Penn St. Michigan is shit now.
lets just say I would much rather be in the west. what's up big 10 championship every year.

[flatlander]

Boy, Iowa and Wisconsion have been pretty consistent football programs. Mizzou is a big time up and comer. I don't see it as a garbage division in the least.

In the East, you pretty much have Ohio St and Penn St. Michigan is shit now.

Michigan St has been competitive in the Big 10 in the last decade as well. On a slide down right now, but that's a potentially viable program.

[Hawkeye]

lets just say I would much rather be in the west. what's up big 10 championship every year.

ha!

[BfromV]

It would be virtually impossible to guarantee two divisions that are perfectly equal in terms of success. Plus, those of you who watch college football know this as truth: Things can change radically with time. Penn State was really struggling not that long ago. Michigan used to be a perennial power. Illinois for a time was a top team. Everything cycles.

Bottom line: For the Big 10, adding a team like Missouri would mean bundles of more money... More than any other team remotely suggested (outside of ND, of course).

[flatlander]

For real, though, is this even 25% likely to happen in the next 5 years? How often do teams switch from one BCS conference to another.

[BfromV]

lets just say I would much rather be in the west. what's up big 10 championship every year.

ha!



But how exciting would it be to watch those Big XII Championship games???

Mizzou against Ohio State, or Iowa against Penn State... It would be entertaining shit.

[flatlander]

It would be virtually impossible to guarantee two divisions that are perfectly equal in terms of success. Plus, those of you who watch college football know this as truth: Things can change radically with time. Penn State was really struggling not that long ago. Michigan used to be a perennial power. Illinois for a time was a top team. Everything cycles.

Bottom line: For the Big 10, adding a team like Missouri would mean bundles of more money... More than any other team remotely suggested (outside of ND, of course).

Do the Big 12 teams play each other twice every season? That's 22 games prescheduled.

[flatlander]

But how exciting would it be to watch those Big XII Championship games???

Mizzou against Ohio State, or Iowa against Penn State... It would be entertaining shit.

Like 90's Nebraska vs Texas?

[mjonns]

It would be virtually impossible to guarantee two divisions that are perfectly equal in terms of success. Plus, those of you who watch college football know this as truth: Things can change radically with time. Penn State was really struggling not that long ago. Michigan used to be a perennial power. Illinois for a time was a top team. Everything cycles.

Bottom line: For the Big 10, adding a team like Missouri would mean bundles of more money... More than any other team remotely suggested (outside of ND, of course).
this.

I kid Hawkeye..It would be good. No one could complain the Big 10 doesnt have a Champ game either. I for one like it b/c I feel like the Mizzou will NEVER be at the level of TX or OU.

Not saying that they would ever get to Penn St or OSU but it does seem more feasible as what we have seen with Michigan and Penn St in the past 10 years.

[mjonns]

Do the Big 12 teams play each other twice every season? That's 22 games prescheduled.
no, you play each division team once and 3 teams from the other. so 8 conf games and 4 non conference.

[BfromV]

Do the Big 12 teams play each other twice every season? That's 22 games prescheduled.

In football?

They play their divisional team once. They play half of the other division once; tehn, they rotate those halves every two years. Basically, you play a home and home.


If you're talking about basketball, I'm not sure. I'm not a big basketball junkie. I know they play a home and home against their divisional rivals. Not sure how they schedule games against the other division.

[mjonns]

In football?

They play their divisional team once. They play half of the other division once; tehn, they rotate those halves every two years. Basically, you play a home and home.


If you're talking about basketball, I'm not sure. I'm not a big basketball junkie. I know they play a home and home against their divisional rivals. Not sure how they schedule games against the other division.
basketball they play each division twice (home and away) and every team in other division once (home and away flip flops every other year)

[flatlander]

no, you play each division team once and 3 teams from the other. so 8 conf games and 4 non conference.

In football?

They play their divisional team once. They play half of the other division once; tehn, they rotate those halves every two years. Basically, you play a home and home.


If you're talking about basketball, I'm not sure. I'm not a big basketball junkie. I know they play a home and home against their divisional rivals. Not sure how they schedule games against the other division.

Sorry, should have clarified. I was talking basketball.

[itsvon]

It would be virtually impossible to guarantee two divisions that are perfectly equal in terms of success. Plus, those of you who watch college football know this as truth: Things can change radically with time. Penn State was really struggling not that long ago. Michigan used to be a perennial power. Illinois for a time was a top team. Everything cycles.

Bottom line: For the Big 10, adding a team like Missouri would mean bundles of more money... More than any other team remotely suggested (outside of ND, of course).

i would love it if they would ad mizzou and nd. just so i could watch mizzou play nd every year or at the least every other year.

[mjonns]

i would love it if they would ad mizzou and nd. just so i could watch mizzou play nd every year or at the least every other year.
the big 13??

[flatlander]

i would love it if they would ad mizzou and nd. just so i could watch mizzou play nd every year or at the least every other year.

I just don't see it happening. ND's Board of Trustees won't let it happen.

[BfromV]

For real, though, is this even 25% likely to happen in the next 5 years? How often do teams switch from one BCS conference to another.

It happened recently. Several Big East teams left to go to the new ACC.

[Chief]

Boy, Iowa and Wisconsion have been pretty consistent football programs. Mizzou is a big time up and comer. I don't see it as a garbage division in the least.

In the East, you pretty much have Ohio St and Penn St. Michigan is shit now.

I think the balance of power is pretty heavy in football towards the East in that scenario.

Michigan may be shit now, but they just finished going to bowls 33 years in a row. They will return to national prominence soon. You have the only three national recruiting bases from the whole conference in one division for football. That seems a bit lopsided.

[mjonns]

I just don't see it happening. ND's Board of Trustees won't let it happen.
correct, b/c if,when they get back on track and go to a BCS every other year they get to keep that 1.5 million or whatever. Also all the money from TV rights. All for them

[Art Vandelay]

i would love it if they would ad mizzou and nd. just so i could watch mizzou play nd every year or at the least every other year.

It looks like von is still drunk from the weekend.

correct, b/c if,when they get back on track and go to a BCS every other year they get to keep that 1.5 million or whatever. Also all the money from TV rights. All for them

BCS bowls are more like 13 millions

[itsvon]

I just don't see it happening. ND's Board of Trustees won't let it happen.

of course they wouldnt. i was just saying that i would love it.

[BfromV]

I think the balance of power is pretty heavy in football towards the East in that scenario.

Michigan may be shit now, but they just finished going to bowls 33 years in a row. They will return to national prominence soon. You have the only three national recruiting bases from the whole conference in one division for football. That seems a bit lopsided.

But really, how different is this scenario then the one you currently play in? You just don't have any formal divisions now. Still, these big programs need to knock one another off to win the conference.

EDIT: By the way, assuming Michigan comes back is still a big assumption. Plenty of programs have hit the shitter and have taken decades to come back. Look at ND or FSU for example. Both are in big time dry spells. I'm sure there are others if I thought about it.

[mjonns]

It looks like von is still drunk from the weekend.



BCS bowls are more like 13 millions
oh yeah, we get 1.4 or whatever when OU and TX go. thank you, i wasnt thinking clearly

[mjonns]

But really, how different is this scenario then the one you currently play in? You just don't have any formal divisions now. Still, these big programs need to knock one another off to win the conference.
correct, just like TX and OU.

[BfromV]

correct, just like TX and OU.


And lets say that a West team would upset an East team. It's still likely that both could make a BCS game.

[mjonns]

And lets say that a West team would upset an East team. It's still likely that both could make a BCS game.
it would be nice in regards to TV coverage in STL too. I feel we get Iowa/Mich St/Wisconsin on every weekend anyway. Mizzou would be on a lot I think

[Chief]

By the way, whoever is discussing Notre Dame in here....

They were invited to join the conference a few times and always refused. ND was the preferred team when Penn State came.

ND wasn't interested. Felt they could make more money on their own.

[stl_constitutionalist]

Sorry to ruin the thread, but SLU is first in line to get the big 10 spot. Sorry guys. We all know how the Big 10 needs better representation in college soccer, and they will get it with SLU. The Big 10 officials are also interested in Biondi's sculpture city on the southwest corner of the campus, it will be renamed to the Big 10 sculpture park. The Big 10 also wants better access to Jesuits across the United States.. All of This coupled with our two "heavy weights" lobbying for the push, Biondi and Majerus, we will get the nod to move into the big 10.

[BfromV]

it would be nice in regards to TV coverage in STL too. I feel we get Iowa/Mich St/Wisconsin on every weekend anyway. Mizzou would be on a lot I think

It would guarantee that every MU game would be televised. The Big 10 has a fantastic TV deal, where as the Big 12's is garbage. It heavily favors the "traditional" powers. Even still, it's likely that even NU or UT will have a pay per view game. Just makes no sense at all. That's why there's early discussions of creating a Big 12 network or a Big 12/Pac 10 network.

[onthetrail]

Conceptually, I like the idea. However, there are a couple of drawbacks/issues:

1) Mizzou would have to devise a scheduling strategy with Kansas if it were to keep it's rivalry intact.

2) It could hurt Mizzou's recruiting in Texas, which has the been the source of several of their players recently.

I think Mizzou fits better with the Big 10 schools than the Big 12. Personally, all the Texas and Oklahoma schools can go suck on a bushel of bluebonnets as far as I'm concerned.

[BfromV]

By the way, whoever is discussing Notre Dame in here....

They were invited to join the conference a few times and always refused. ND was the preferred team when Penn State came.

ND wasn't interested. Felt they could make more money on their own.

Precisely, ND is a pipe dream that ain't ever gonna happen. They print money in South Bend, and them Mick's ain't sharin' that pot o' gold.


Sorry to ruin the thread, but SLU is first in line to get the big 10 spot. Sorry guys. We all know how the Big 10 needs better representation in college soccer, and they will get it with SLU. The Big 10 officials are also interested in Biondi's sculpture city on the southwest corner of the campus, it will be renamed to the Big 10 sculpture park. The Big 10 also wants better access to Jesuits across the United States.. All of This coupled with our two "heavy weights" lobbying for the push, Biondi and Majerus, we will get the nod to move into the big 10.


Good points. End of thread. \

[mjonns]

Conceptually, I like the idea. However, there are a couple of drawbacks/issues:

1) Mizzou would have to devise a scheduling strategy with Kansas if it were to keep it's rivalry intact.

2) It could hurt Mizzou's recruiting in Texas, which has the been the source of several of their players recently.

I think Mizzou fits better with the Big 10 schools than the Big 12. Personally, all the Texas and Oklahoma schools can go suck on a bushel of bluebonnets as far as I'm concerned.
all very good points OTT.

[Art Vandelay]

I still think syracuse is as good if not a better option.

[mjonns]

I still think syracuse is as good if not a better option.
yes, their FB program is good*

[stl_constitutionalist]

yes, their FB program is good* Not as good as SLU's though.

[itsvon]

Sorry to ruin the thread, but SLU is first in line to get the big 10 spot. Sorry guys. We all know how the Big 10 needs better representation in college soccer, and they will get it with SLU. The Big 10 officials are also interested in Biondi's sculpture city on the southwest corner of the campus, it will be renamed to the Big 10 sculpture park. The Big 10 also wants better access to Jesuits across the United States.. All of This coupled with our two "heavy weights" lobbying for the push, Biondi and Majerus, we will get the nod to move into the big 10.

would slu joining the big ten effect whether mizzou could? they would only both be in for basketball.

[Art Vandelay]

yes, their FB program is good*

Not now, historically... without question. And I am talking the school as a whole. The Big 10 cares just as much about the CIC as the sports. Syracuse offers just as much as Mizzou, if not more.

[BfromV]

Conceptually, I like the idea. However, there are a couple of drawbacks/issues:

1) Mizzou would have to devise a scheduling strategy with Kansas if it were to keep it's rivalry intact.

2) It could hurt Mizzou's recruiting in Texas, which has the been the source of several of their players recently.

I think Mizzou fits better with the Big 10 schools than the Big 12. Personally, all the Texas and Oklahoma schools can go suck on a bushel of bluebonnets as far as I'm concerned.


1. While MU and KU hate each other, I think they would work together to ensure that they would still play each other in the nonconference season.

2. I don't buy that kids play for conferences. They play for schools and coaching staffs. There's plenty of Texas kids playing the Big 10 right now.

[DailyBalance]

Itsvon, and Roland..can you guys let me know if I'm okay with this happening? I'm actually torn and not that well up on the current info.

[BfromV]

Not now, historically... without question. And I am talking the school as a whole. The Big 10 cares just as much about the CIC as the sports. Syracuse offers just as much as Mizzou, if not more.

How do they offer more? The NY market... maybe? That's about it.

Remember, the Big 10 -- at its heart -- is a mid America conference.

[flatlander]

How do they offer more? The NY market... maybe? That's about it.

Remember, the Big 10 -- at its heart -- is a mid America conference.

I assumed that was a joke.

[stl_constitutionalist]

Do all of the intelligent NCAA football fans know which school was the first University west of the Mississippi to have a football program??

If you answered Fontboone, you are wrong!! ITS SLU!!!!

would slu joining the big ten effect whether mizzou could? they would only both be in for basketball. you are confusing me

[flatlander]

Do all of the intelligent NCAA football fans know which school was the first University west of the Mississippi to have a football program??

If you answered Fontboone, you are wrong!! ITS SLU!!!!

you are confusing me

There were/are schools between Columbus Ohio and Los Angeles? When did they start this?

Sincerely,
ESPN

[Art Vandelay]

How do they offer more? The NY market... maybe? That's about it.

Remember, the Big 10 -- at its heart -- is a mid America conference.

The big 10 would love to get into the Northeast market. Many rumblings have come out about that. I think they see a lot of money in that. A LOT

[mjonns]

The big 10 would love to get into the Northeast market. Many rumblings have come out about that. I think they see a lot of money in that. A LOT
why would SU want to leave the Big East? Doesnt really seem like a good move unless there is a reason SU is not happy in the Big East

[BfromV]

why would SU want to leave the Big East? Doesnt really seem like a good move unless there is a reason SU is not happy in the Big East

Precisely. That would be a basketball school leaving a basketball conference. I don't see it. Plus, MU is pretty damn good in several other sports as well.

[flatlander]

Precisely. That would be a basketball school leaving a basketball conference. I don't see it. Plus, MU is pretty damn good in several other sports as well.

The Big Ten would probably like to add Mizzou's baseball program.

[stl_constitutionalist]

How do they offer more? The NY market... maybe? That's about it.

Remember, the Big 10 -- at its heart -- is a mid America conference.

Which is why they have their minds already made up for The Saint Louis University Billikens!! SLU is an extremely strong perception of Mid America!! We hold Mid American values, our schools demographic's represent a typical Mid America Town, we are really good at soccer, Our Rugby club is regionally known, our flag football club has had a historic increase in membership over the last 5 years!


This nonsense of Notre Dame, syracuse, Iowa State, Nebraska, Western Illinois...shit needs to stop!! You cant argue against SLU! Embrace your hometown team that will be the eventual 2013 Big Ten Collegiate Mens Soccer champions!!



embrace them like you embraced your mothers boozum as an infant.

[mjonns]

The Big Ten would probably like to add Mizzou's baseball program.
yep, i was just about to say this. And Fraternity system too

[Art Vandelay]

why would SU want to leave the Big East? Doesnt really seem like a good move unless there is a reason SU is not happy in the Big East

Precisely. That would be a basketball school leaving a basketball conference. I don't see it. Plus, MU is pretty damn good in several other sports as well.

Because the school that the big 10 brings in is joining for academic reasons as much, if not more than athletic reasons.

[stl_constitutionalist]

There were/are schools between Columbus Ohio and Los Angeles? When did they start this?

Sincerely,
ESPN well done here

[flatlander]

yep, i was just about to say this. And Fraternity system too

Is their fraternity system big? I don't even think that's a factor in the conference leadership's mind, though.

[BfromV]

The Big Ten would probably like to add Mizzou's baseball program.


Precisely... and wrestling, just to name two.

[mjonns]

Is their fraternity system big? I don't even think that's a factor in the conference leadership's mind, though.
its huge and I was totally kidding

[Chief]

its huge and I was totally kidding

so was flatlander

[BfromV]

yep, i was just about to say this. And Fraternity system too

It's HUGE.


Because the school that the big 10 brings in is joining for academic reasons as much, if not more than athletic reasons.


Mizzou isn't horrendous accademically.

[RolandC]

As a graduate and fan of Missouri, I think this would be great. If you want to keep playing Kansas, do a border war game each year in KC for both Basketball and Football...done and done. I don't see any other single important rival that would be lost.

I also think Mizzou would be an immediate "player" in both basketball and football.

[stl_constitutionalist]

For those who want to join the bandwagon before the big news comes out!!

http://www.slu.edu/x12519.xml

Oh, and I know this question will come up eventually, but our field hockey facility is located on a beautiful 32 acres situated not far from Saint Louis Universities campus. It also has the capacity to accomodate more than 2500 hungry field hockey fans.


http://www.slubillikens.com/school-bio/stlo-facilities-fieldh.html

[flatlander]

Precisely... and wrestling, just to name two.

I don't follow wrestling at all, but don't Big Ten/Big XII pretty much battle it out for top wrestling conference every year? Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota are all pretty strong perennially, right?

And Mizzou, OU and maybe Texas?

[mjonns]

For those who want to join the bandwagon before the big news comes out!!

http://www.slu.edu/x12519.xml

Oh, and I know this question will come up eventually, but our field hockey facility is located on a beautiful 32 acres situated not far from Saint Louis Universities campus. It also has the capacity to accomodate more than 2500 hungry field hockey fans.


http://www.slubillikens.com/school-bio/stlo-facilities-fieldh.html
i seriously thought SLU was a school for the gheys? Did this change? I am wrong here?

[fatkid]

2. I don't buy that kids play for conferences. They play for schools and coaching staffs. There's plenty of Texas kids playing the Big 10 right now.

We get some of the recruits specifically because we play those southwest teams that didn't recruit them. THey know we play them and ahve a better shot showing them what they were missing by not recruiting them......

[stl_constitutionalist]

I don't follow wrestling at all, but don't Big Ten/Big XII pretty much battle it out for top wrestling conference every year? Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota are all pretty strong perennially, right?

And Mizzou, OU and maybe Texas? Iowa is always up there, as is Mizzou, Illinois, Wisconsin...Wrestling is pretty much a Big 10/12 powerhouse, not many other conferences put up much of a fight.

[flatlander]

We get some of the recruits specifically because we play those southwest teams that didn't recruit them. THey know we play them and ahve a better shot showing them what they were missing by not recruiting them......

But the tradeoff is, Mizzou recuits would get to play on national TV in Happy Valley, the Horseshoe and the Big House. Is that an even trade for Texas, OU and Lincoln? I'd call it even or a slight edge to Big Ten.

[mjonns]

We get some of the recruits specifically because we play those southwest teams that didn't recruit them. THey know we play them and ahve a better shot showing them what they were missing by not recruiting them......
I agree. We need TX guys. The list of TX recruits from Mizzou over the last 5 years is strong. Part of the reason that KU brought back a big 8 guy and not Uconns coach who is mainly from Big East.

Saying that I think Pinkel would still get them and we would be that much better.

[stl_constitutionalist]

i seriously thought SLU was a school for the gheys? Did this change? I am wrong here? no, we are jesuit..We hate gay people. Havent you read the news lately?

[mjonns]

But the tradeoff is, Mizzou recuits would get to play on national TV in Happy Valley, the Horseshoe and the Big House. Is that an even trade for Texas, OU and Lincoln? I'd call it even or a slight edge to Big Ten.
Not if you grew up in TX and worshiped TX and OU your whole life

[flatlander]

no, we are jesuit..We hate gay people. Havent you read the news lately?

There's nothing more Catholic than guilt and self-loathing. A gay Catholic school makes perfect sense.

[BfromV]

But the tradeoff is, Mizzou recuits would get to play on national TV in Happy Valley, the Horseshoe and the Big House. Is that an even trade for Texas, OU and Lincoln? I'd call it even or a slight edge to Big Ten.



Yeah, I don't buy that "I want to play at MU to show UT or OU stuff." That might be a small factor, but not a determining one. Kids want to play in the LEAGUE. And if MU coaches can show a four-star WR recruit that he would follow in Justin Gage, JMac, and Denario's foot steps while catching passes from Blaine Gabbert, I think that would mean much more.

[stl_constitutionalist]

There's nothing more Catholic than guilt and self-loathing. A gay Catholic school makes perfect sense. watch yourself east sider!! We have the power of the Pontiff!

[BfromV]

watch yourself east sider!! We have the power of the Pontiff!

You're doing your best to derail this, aren't cha?

[Art Vandelay]

It's HUGE.





Mizzou isn't horrendous accademically.

No, but they want as good as they can get. Part of the major desire for ND. And why PSU was a good fit. University of Chicago is an academic member of the Big 10 as well.

http://www.cic.net/Home.aspx

[RolandC]

We get some of the recruits specifically because we play those southwest teams that didn't recruit them. THey know we play them and ahve a better shot showing them what they were missing by not recruiting them......

Meh...I don't buy that this is a major selling point, more that they play in the same conference with similar exposure. I think most of these kids are bright enough to realize that MU isn't Texas or OU, but it is still in a major conference, they play a fun game and Pinkel is a good recruiter. None of that changes except losing by 40 to those teams.

Personally, with the Big 10 having their own network, I would assume saying that you would be on TV every week no matter what makes more sense.

[BfromV]

No, but they want as good as they can get. Part of the major desire for ND. And why PSU was a good fit. University of Chicago is an academic member of the Big 10 as well.

http://www.cic.net/Home.aspx


I know what the CIC is and who's part of it. Still, this is mostly a move to help athletics.

[The Ultramark]

i seriously thought SLU was a school for the gheys? Did this change? I am wrong here?



i think you are confused with the u-high ... common mistake

[flatlander]

No, but they want as good as they can get. Part of the major desire for ND. And why PSU was a good fit. University of Chicago is an academic member of the Big 10 as well.

http://www.cic.net/Home.aspx

But Chicago was also a founding member, so they're a unique case.

[Art Vandelay]

I know what the CIC is and who's part of it. Still, this is mostly a move to help athletics.

I know, athletics is the only reason to add another school outside of ND. But, then you would hear about more schools than Syracuse, Rutgers, and Mizzou if academics didn't matter.

[stl_constitutionalist]

really good article if you are interested in winning sports programs


http://www.slubillikens.com/sports/m-soccer/recaps/111509aaa.html



You're doing your best to derail this, aren't cha? Not trying to derail your convo at all, simply making a strong case for the hometown team.

In all honesty and reality, I dont see Mizzou changing conferences. Too big of a move to simply happen.

[flatlander]

I know what the CIC is and who's part of it. Still, this is mostly a move to help athletics.

The academics were why the Notre Dame Faculty Senate voted to join the Big Ten. And then the Board of Trustees made it clear the academic issue came well after the financial/athletics issue.

[Art Vandelay]

But Chicago was also a founding member, so they're a unique case.

true, but there is a reason they didn't just let them go. PSU is a good academic school, they were an easy add. Mizzou is a good school also, I was just stating earlier that Syracuse might fit what the big 10 wants more so.

[BfromV]

This won't be a quick change, but there will be a change. It may not involve Mizzou. But I really do think the Big 10 will add another team. And I could see Mizzou eventually leaving the Big 12. It will be interesting to see how the conferences look in another 10 years.

[Chief]

Yeah, I don't buy that "I want to play at MU to show UT or OU stuff." That might be a small factor, but not a determining one. Kids want to play in the LEAGUE. And if MU coaches can show a four-star WR recruit that he would follow in Justin Gage, JMac, and Denario's foot steps while catching passes from Blaine Gabbert, I think that would mean much more.

In all fairness to Mizzou and its program, if sending players to the NFL is the selling point to come there, given who they are recruiting against, well then they are doing it wrong.

[Art Vandelay]

This won't be a quick change, but there will be a change. It may not involve Mizzou. But I really do think the Big 10 will add another team. And I could see Mizzou eventually leaving the Big 12. It will be interesting to see how the conferences look in another 10 years.

Quick, who said anything about quick. Adding a 12th team is nothing new to the big 10 discussions. But mostly I've hear the big east schools being in the discussion. I've heard Mizzou, but not as much. Hence my point of view in this thread.

[flatlander]

Quick, who said anything about quick. Adding a 12th team is nothing new to the big 10 discussions. But mostly I've hear the big east schools being in the discussion. I've heard Mizzou, but not as much. Hence my point of view in this thread.

How's Louisville academically?

But they're probably not really big enough.

[Art Vandelay]

How's Louisville academically?

But they're probably not really big enough.

The schools I always heard over the last few years is Pitt, Rutgers or Syracuse.

Rankings:

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings/

[mjonns]

In all fairness to Mizzou and its program, if sending players to the NFL is the selling point to come there, given who they are recruiting against, well then they are doing it wrong.
b/c we put more people in the league last year than any other big 12 team or in general you mean?

[Art Vandelay]

b/c we put more people in the league last year than any other big 12 team or in general you mean?

One year?

[flatlander]

The schools I always heard over the last few years is Pitt, Rutgers or Syracuse.

Rankings:

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings/

Pitt would be a good grab, but I just can't see them jumping conferences.

[Chief]

b/c we put more people in the league last year than any other big 12 team or in general you mean?

Ok, thats one good year.

How many total players in are in the NFL right now compared to Oklahoma, Texas, and Nebraska?

Like I said, if thats the calling card to come to Mizzou, its wrong.

[mjonns]

One year?
Rome wasnt built overnight. We are going to put 2-3 more this year as well. And Gabbert and both Smiths soon. Its going to be off the hook pretty soon.

You will be watching MNF and hear "THE" University of Missouri like every other player probably.

[Art Vandelay]

Pitt would be a good grab, but I just can't see them jumping conferences.

yeah, I think those rumblings aren't fresh. Those schools probably came up during the Big East shake up. But the big 10 is in no hurry to make this happen. Although I would love this city to be a big 10 city.

[BfromV]

In all fairness to Mizzou and its program, if sending players to the NFL is the selling point to come there, given who they are recruiting against, well then they are doing it wrong.


I'll never disagree that we can't compete in that department against OU or UT. However, I'll gladly take the other kids who UT and OU would take, but can't, because of scholarship limitations. And being able to point to a growing list of Mizzou alums in the NFL helps... when recruiting against OSU or TCU, for example.

[flatlander]

Rome wasnt built overnight. We are going to put 2-3 more this year as well. And Gabbert and both Smiths soon. Its going to be off the hook pretty soon.

You will be watching MNF and hear "THE" University of Missouri like every other player probably.

Then the "THE" thing will have jumped the shark.

[mjonns]

Ok, thats one good year.

How many total players in are in the NFL right now compared to Oklahoma, Texas, and Nebraska?

Like I said, if thats the calling card to come to Mizzou, its wrong.
I dont think he said it as a calling card, but saying that come here and you will have a chance to play in the league. See our past x amount of years as an example.

[Art Vandelay]

Rome wasnt built overnight. We are going to put 2-3 more this year as well. And Gabbert and both Smiths soon. Its going to be off the hook pretty soon.

You will be watching MNF and hear "THE" University of Missouri like every other player probably.

Oh, you mean like Iowa. Gotcha. You should have said that right away.

[mjonns]

Then the "THE" thing will have jumped the shark.
someone needs to call Maclin and get this going.

[BfromV]

Rome wasnt built overnight. We are going to put 2-3 more this year as well. And Gabbert and both Smiths soon. Its going to be off the hook pretty soon.

You will be watching MNF and hear "THE" University of Missouri like every other player probably.

Ha!

I don't think we'll ever get to that status; however, it would be nice.

that being said, MU can certainly point out to kids that we're a program on the rise... and they can continue to be a part of making MU into a big-time football school.

[Art Vandelay]

Ha!

I don't think we'll ever get to that status; however, it would be nice.

that being said, MU can certainly point out to kids that we're a program on the rise... and they can continue to be a part of making MU into a big-time football school.

easier said than done.

-Iowa fan

[flatlander]

yeah, I think those rumblings aren't fresh. Those schools probably came up during the Big East shake up. But the big 10 is in no hurry to make this happen. Although I would love this city to be a big 10 city.

Yeah, I'd be onboard with taking on Mizzou mostly to grab the St Louis and, to a lesser degree Kansas City markets.

(and the academics could come up over time)

[mjonns]

Yeah, I'd be onboard with taking on Mizzou mostly to grab the St Louis and, to a lesser degree Kansas City markets.

(and the academics could come up over time)
I would like Mizzou to join the Big 10 so my degree looks better. It would benefit Mizzou to academically

[Chief]

Rome wasnt built overnight. We are going to put 2-3 more this year as well. And Gabbert and both Smiths soon. Its going to be off the hook pretty soon.

You will be watching MNF and hear "THE" University of Missouri like every other player probably.

You are wandering into Captain Chris territory.

Slow your roll, son.

[mjonns]

You are wandering into Captain Chris territory.

Slow your roll, son.
once again, i was kidding. at least with the second sentence.

Is Captain Chris a huge homer?

[flatlander]

I would like Mizzou to join the Big 10 so my degree looks better. It would benefit Mizzou to academically

Yes it would.

[flatlander]

once again, i was kidding. at least with the second sentence.

Is Captain Chris a huge homer?

Wasn't he the one that thought Mizzou would hang 70 on the Illini football team?

[BfromV]

Yeah, I'd be onboard with taking on Mizzou mostly to grab the St Louis and, to a lesser degree Kansas City markets.

(and the academics could come up over time)


And Mizzou is a big state school with a medical school and law school. Plus, we have some pretty damn nice facilities. Of course, there's the Jschool, too.

[Chief]

Wasn't he the one that thought Mizzou would hang 70 on the Illini football team?

Bingo.

Then, when they didn't, it was "Well, they could have if they wanted to".

Ok.

[mjonns]

And Mizzou is a big state school with a medical school and law school. Plus, we have some pretty damn nice facilities. Of course, there's the Jschool, too.
is our J school still #1 or very highly ranked?

[Chief]

once again, i was kidding. at least with the second sentence.

Is Captain Chris a huge homer?

Huge homer and part time idiot, yes.

[BfromV]

is our J school still #1 or very highly ranked?

There's no definitive ranking. However, it's among the most elite. I recently walked through it, and the new facilities are amazing. (An alum donated millions and millions to it.) I've never seen so many flat screens in my life.

[flatlander]

There's no definitive ranking. However, it's among the most elite. I recently walked through it, and the new facilities are amazing. (An alum donated millions and millions to it.) I've never seen so many flat screens in my life.

Yeah, I don't know of any definitive ranking, but it seems to come up in most top tens.

[mjonns]

There's no definitive ranking. However, it's among the most elite. I recently walked through it, and the new facilities are amazing. (An alum donated millions and millions to it.) I've never seen so many flat screens in my life.
The campus has/is been in constant change as of late. The new business school is amazing. Its probably 6 years old by now. Brady Commons was torn down and rebuilt. Dorms everywhere. Its getting huge and very nice. Not that it wasnt before but $$ must be rolling in now

[BfromV]

Yeah, I don't know of any definitive ranking, but it seems to come up in most top tens.

I would say it's in all of the top 10's. We have alums in every major news outlet and ad agency in the US. It makes for nice networking.

[Art Vandelay]

Here is my thought on the Mizzou J school in all of this. I would be curious how much of the Big 10 would desire that school? Northwestern is fairly similar right? Not trying to dis the Mizzou JSchool, just not sure it is something the Big 10 covets.

this is a thought. not an opinion.

[BfromV]

The campus has/is been in constant change as of late. The new business school is amazing. Its probably 6 years old by now. Brady Commons was torn down and rebuilt. Dorms everywhere. Its getting huge and very nice. Not that it wasnt before but $$ must be rolling in now

+++


I hardly recognize the campus anymore, and I graduated in '03.

[BfromV]

Here is my thought on the Mizzou J school in all of this. I would be curious how much of the Big 10 would desire that school? Northwestern is fairly similar right? Not trying to dis the Mizzou JSchool, just not sure it is something the Big 10 covets.

They're very, very similar. I was simply pointing out that we do have at least one prestigous school to offer.

[Art Vandelay]

They're very, very similar. I was simply pointing out that we do have at least one prestigous school to offer.

yeah, i'm just trying to get into the big 10's thoughts.

[mjonns]

+++


I hardly recognize the campus anymore, and I graduated in '03.
I was in 01' so I am in that same boat. The mrs was in til 02 and I get down there 3-4 times a year, but mostly for games and I drink a lot more than tour the campus so it kind of creeps up on you how much has changed.

[itsvon]

its odd seeing chief in here putting down mizzou....


seriously, you are bizarro world uncle tupelo.

[BfromV]

I was in 01' so I am in that same boat. The mrs was in til 02 and I get down there 3-4 times a year, but mostly for games and I drink a lot more than tour the campus so it kind of creeps up on you how much has changed.

You and I are pretty much in the same boat. I can remember when there were gravel parking lots everywhere and we had an actual south Quad. Now, it's new construction and parking garages everywhere. It's nuts. But good.

[RolandC]

its odd seeing chief in here putting down mizzou....


seriously, you are bizarro world uncle tupelo.

Yeah, it is REALLY unusual!

[Chief]

its odd seeing chief in here putting down mizzou....


seriously, you are bizarro world uncle tupelo.

Try reading stephen.

I said they send less players to the NFL than Texas and Oklahoma.

If you can't agree with this you are even dumber than I thought.

[flatlander]

its odd seeing chief in here putting down mizzou....


seriously, you are bizarro world uncle tupelo.

I don't think anyone in here has really put down Mizzou. What are you specifically talking about? Because he said they're no Texas, OU or Nebraska?

[itsvon]

Yeah, I don't buy that "I want to play at MU to show UT or OU stuff." That might be a small factor, but not a determining one. Kids want to play in the LEAGUE. And if MU coaches can show a four-star WR recruit that he would follow in Justin Gage, JMac, and Denario's foot steps while catching passes from Blaine Gabbert, I think that would mean much more.
bfromv talks about mizzou having a good offense that would be a good fit for a top WR. no mention of other big 12 schools.

In all fairness to Mizzou and its program, if sending players to the NFL is the selling point to come there, given who they are recruiting against, well then they are doing it wrong.
it is a selling point because it is happening. thats how it works.


Try reading stephen.

I said they send less players to the NFL than Texas and Oklahoma.

If you can't agree with this you are even dumber than I thought.
noone ever said that they have more players in the league than those teams. but they are sending players to the league. it just seems that anytime someone says something about mizzou, you always chime in to compare them to the conference powerhouses as if mizzou fans arent aware of the ass beatings that texas and oklahoma give them every year.

also, here is an article about that made up mizzou nebraska rivalry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri%E2%80%93Nebraska_Rivalry

[bgdog86]

I see Illinois and Kansas as the big trade. Each school would fill the other schools shoes. Mizzou would need to find it's new secondary rival... at least in football. I could see it easily becoming Iowa.

Here are the proposed divisions, by the way:

West: Minnesota, Iowa, Mizzou, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin

East: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, Indiana

Looks good to me.


How about
North: Minnesota, Iowa, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Michigan

South Penn State, Ohio State, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Mizzou

That would balance out the conference some in football at least. In football you'd do exactly what the Big 12 does and play each team once in your division and 3 others from the other division in a home in home rotation. The Michigan vs Ohio State rivalry would be tough. If it was that big of a deal swap Iowa and Penn State.

I for one would love to see Mizzou in the Big 10. I think it would help the Big 10 and help Mizzou. The Kansas rivalry is easy. Simply play every year non conference. Florida St. and Florida do it every year. Its not real difficult. Same goes for basketball. As far as Nebraska? Is that really a rivalry. It may be a recent one, but it wasn't until the last 5 or 6 years. The KU rivalry is 100 years old and is a rivalry that occurs in all sports between the two universities.

This hugely woudl benefit the Big 10 in football. #1 it gives them a conference championship game which yields them more money. #2 They would be getting another good football team in their conference.

Pitt is an intriguing team as well. I'd really like to see Mizzou, but Pitt wouldn't be a bad choice either. I think it will happen soon because the Big 10 wants that 12th team.

[Chief]

noone ever said that they have more players in the league than those teams. but they are sending players to the league. it just seems that anytime someone says something about mizzou, you always chime in to compare them to the conference powerhouses as if mizzou fans arent aware of the ass beatings that texas and oklahoma give them every year.


BfromV said "follow in the footsteps" of the only receivers Mizzou has sent to the NFL. He was talking about recruiting a 4 star guy. I assumed since this guy was 4 star, they'd be recruiting against the top schools from the Big XII. If this is the case, then the way to sell Mizzou over OU, Texas, etc is NOT to explain how you are going to send them to the NFL. Those other schools do that job just fine. That was the point I made. If you'd like to argue that, I'm all ears. Bob didn't have a problem with my assertion.

If you are going to give me a drive-by, just make sure I deserve it.

[itsvon]

BfromV said "follow in the footsteps" of the only receivers Mizzou has sent to the NFL. He was talking about recruiting a 4 star guy. I assumed since this guy was 4 star, they'd be recruiting against the top schools from the Big XII. If this is the case, then the way to sell Mizzou over OU, Texas, etc is NOT to explain how you are going to send them to the NFL. Those other schools do that job just fine. That was the point I made. If you'd like to argue that, I'm all ears. Bob didn't have a problem with my assertion.

If you are going to give me a drive-by, just make sure I deserve it.

shut up fag!

[Chief]

shut up fag!

Lets talk SEMO football then

[bgdog86]

BfromV said "follow in the footsteps" of the only receivers Mizzou has sent to the NFL. He was talking about recruiting a 4 star guy. I assumed since this guy was 4 star, they'd be recruiting against the top schools from the Big XII. If this is the case, then the way to sell Mizzou over OU, Texas, etc is NOT to explain how you are going to send them to the NFL. Those other schools do that job just fine. That was the point I made. If you'd like to argue that, I'm all ears. Bob didn't have a problem with my assertion.

If you are going to give me a drive-by, just make sure I deserve it.

Mizzou has had a very solid football program the last 5 or 6 years. Over the past 10 its been quite a bit better overall than Illinois. Illinois has had two really good seasons and sucked badly the rest of the time. If you want to play in the NFL though it would make more sense to go to Illinois. Illinois currently has twice as many active NFL players(20) than Mizzou does(10). The better football program doesn't always churn out more NFL talent. Even though Illinois went 3-9, they will still have 3 or 4 kids from that team in the NFL.

[Chief]

Mizzou has had a very solid football program the last 5 or 6 years. Over the past 10 its been quite a bit better overall than Illinois. Illinois has had two really good seasons and sucked badly the rest of the time. If you want to play in the NFL though it would make more sense to go to Illinois. Illinois currently has twice as many active NFL players(20) than Mizzou does(10). The better football program doesn't always churn out more NFL talent. Even though Illinois went 3-9, they will still have 3 or 4 kids from that team in the NFL.

oh shit, here we go.

I should leave now.

[bgdog86]

Lets talk SEMO football then
Is the Redhawk report still on. God that shit was awful. Who gives a shit about SEMO's womens basketball game last night. Hell I don't give a fuck about Illinois' womens basketball game last night.

[itsvon]

Lets talk SEMO football then

starting guard for the titans was at semo when i was there. i think there were a few others that might have been close to making it to the nfl. but i have only been to a few games. and that was because they were giving away free beer at the tailgate. i really wish i never went to that school. it sucks.

[bgdog86]

oh shit, here we go.

I should leave now.
Ha! Well if alls you give a fuck about the NFL, then going to Mizzou isn't exactly the answer. I think in the end I'd rather go to a winning team than go suck for 4 years which is what you get at Illinois. If you are good enough you will still get drafted. That shows you how terribly coached Illinois has been when another program that you haven't beaten in years has half as many NFL players in the league than you plus is a bowl team pretty much every year.

[BfromV]

oh shit, here we go.

I should leave now.


ha!

Yeah, i'm not getting into this debate.

[Chief]

ha!

Yeah, i'm not getting into this debate.

I'm definitely leaving if UT shows up.

Maybe forever.

[Art Vandelay]

ha!

Yeah, i'm not getting into this debate.

BV it was fun while it lasted.

[bgdog86]

ha!

Yeah, i'm not getting into this debate.
There is no debate!

Illinois 20
Mizzou 10

Scoreboard!!!!!!!!!!!1

[BfromV]

There is no debate!

Illinois 20
Mizzou 10

Scoreboard!!!!!!!!!!!1


That's what it is currently. I'm hoping more and more Tigers make their ways onto NFL roster as the program continues to progress. I know two more (at least) will be drafted this year.

[Art Vandelay]

One question... Besides Alvarez, Who is saying that the big 10 wants the 12th team. He is the only thing new I've heard in a few years. Of course I have tuned it out.

[mjonns]

There is no debate!

Illinois 20
Mizzou 10

Scoreboard!!!!!!!!!!!1
this doesnt suprise me. basically 5 (daniel, rucker, maclin, hood, coffman) were from last years or year prior's team. then you have dwanye blakely, justin smith and gage. who are the other 2? I dont feel like thinking very hard

[bgdog86]

That's what it is currently. I'm hoping more and more Tigers make their ways onto NFL roster as the program continues to progress. I know two more (at least) will be drafted this year.
The thing is, Illinois will have several more go this year also. I do think you are going to see more Mizzou guys in the NFL in the future compared to years past. There is no doubt about that. Like I said, if I was a senior in HS and Mizzou and Illinois were my two choices and it came down to it, I'd pick Mizzou. Illinois has a bunch of questions with their football program and they have sucked for 2 years straight. My theory is when it comes to D-I college football......if you are good you will play in the NFL. It doesn't matter who you play for. Big Ben went to Miam of Ohio. I would guess no one gave a shit when they put them on their draft boards where he went to school. There are plenty of these examples across college football.

[itsvon]

this doesnt suprise me. basically 5 (daniel, rucker, maclin, hood, coffman) were from last years or year prior's team. then you have dwanye blakely, justin smith and gage. who are the other 2? I dont feel like thinking very hard

brad smith, william moore?

[BfromV]

brad smith, william moore?

Ziggy Hood, too. First rounder last year. Justin Smith.... Still thinking.

[mjonns]

brad smith, william moore?
yep, thank you. how did i forget brad smith. is there really only 10 then?

[bgdog86]

this doesnt suprise me. basically 5 (daniel, rucker, maclin, hood, coffman) were from last years or year prior's team. then you have dwanye blakely, justin smith and gage. who are the other 2? I dont feel like thinking very hard
I am only counting guys on active rosters, not guys on the practice squad. Here are the current Mizzou guys on active NFL rosters.

Collin Brown, Chase Coffman, Atiyyah Ellison, Justin Gage, Ziggy Hood, Jeremy Maclin, Willy Moore, CJ Mosely, Brad Smith and Justin Gauge.

Alexander and Witherspoon will be on that list next year for sure.

[mjonns]

Ziggy Hood, too. First rounder last year. Justin Smith.... Still thinking.
i had both of them

[BfromV]

I am only counting guys on active rosters, not guys on the practice squad. Here are the current Mizzou guys on active NFL rosters.

Collin Brown, Chase Coffman, Atiyyah Ellison, Justin Gage, Ziggy Hood, Jeremy Maclin, Willy Moore, CJ Mosely, Brad Smith and Justin Gauge.

Alexander and Witherspoon will be on that list next year for sure.

Yeah, that's not all of them. See above.

[mjonns]

I am only counting guys on active rosters, not guys on the practice squad. Here are the current Mizzou guys on active NFL rosters.

Collin Brown, Chase Coffman, Atiyyah Ellison, Justin Gage, Ziggy Hood, Jeremy Maclin, Willy Moore, CJ Mosely, Brad Smith and Justin Gauge.

Alexander and Witherspoon will be on that list next year for sure.
daniel and dwayne blakely are both practice squad so that makes sense. Or is Daniel even on practice squad anymore.

anyhow, thanks bgdog

[mjonns]

I am only counting guys on active rosters, not guys on the practice squad. Here are the current Mizzou guys on active NFL rosters.

Collin Brown, Chase Coffman, Atiyyah Ellison, Justin Gage, Ziggy Hood, Jeremy Maclin, Willy Moore, CJ Mosely, Brad Smith and Justin Gauge.

Alexander and Witherspoon will be on that list next year for sure.
are you only listing players by the state of missouri or by university of missouri?

[bgdog86]

Illinois

Rashaard Mendenhall, Pierre Thomas, Eugene Wilson, Tony Pashos, David Diehl, Brandon Lloyd, Greg Lewis, Alan Ball, Danny Clark, Vontae Davis, Carey Davis, Xavier Fulton, Kelvin Hayden, Brit Miller, Brandon Moore, Duke Preston, Neil Rackers, Derek Walker, and Steven Weatherford.

[mjonns]

this list excludes Rucker? That would make 11

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[bgdog86]

Yeah, that's not all of them. See above.
Technically it is all of them. Practice squad isn't on an active roster. I am sure there are Illinois guys on practice squads also.

are you only listing players by the state of missouri or by university of missouri?
No.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/m

[mjonns]

Illinois

Rashaard Mendenhall, Pierre Thomas, Eugene Wilson, Tony Pashos, David Diehl, Brandon Lloyd, Greg Lewis, Alan Ball, Danny Clark, Vontae Davis, Carey Davis, Xavier Fulton, Kelvin Hayden, Brit Miller, Brandon Moore, Duke Preston, Neil Rackers, Derek Walker, and Steven Weatherford.
rackers went to Illinois? thats funny. i didnt know that.

[Art Vandelay]

Illinois

Rashaard Mendenhall, Pierre Thomas, Eugene Wilson, Tony Pashos, David Diehl, Brandon Lloyd, Greg Lewis, Alan Ball, Danny Clark, Vontae Davis, Carey Davis, Xavier Fulton, Kelvin Hayden, Brit Miller, Brandon Moore, Duke Preston, Neil Rackers, Derek Walker, and Steven Weatherford.

why are you bragging up the Illini program? How did we get here in this discussion?

[itsvon]

rackers went to Illinois? thats funny. i didnt know that.

i didnt realize pierre thomas went there either. the rest, i dont really know. brandon lloyd the WR? that might be it. who is the LB for the 49ers?

[bgdog86]

why are you bragging up the Illini program? How did we get here in this discussion?
Bragging? Just verifying that my info is accurate. There isn't much to brag about when it comes to Illinois football other than they beat Iowa last year and I was there to watch it.

[itsvon]

why are you bragging up the Illini program? How did we get here in this discussion?

go ahead and post nfl players out of iowa.

[Art Vandelay]

go ahead and post nfl players out of iowa.

No.

[itsvon]

No.

wwe superstars?

[Art Vandelay]

wwe superstars?

Iowa once had a guy named Paul Bradley go on the Ultimate Fighter, but Dana White kicked him off the show because he had a herpes outbreak on his face.

[bgdog86]

i didnt realize pierre thomas went there either. the rest, i dont really know. brandon lloyd the WR? that might be it. who is the LB for the 49ers?
Pashos was with the Ravens for quite some time and started pretty much every game there. I don't know how much he plays for SF.

Diehl has been a starter on the Giants offensive (and on the Super Bowl team)for some time now.

Greg Lewis was the WR for the Vikings that caught that miracle TD pass from Favre that beat SF on the last play of the game.

Brandon Moore was a starter for quite some time on the Jets oline. Don't know about now.

Hayden had that INT for a TD for the Colts in the Super Bowl against the Bears as a rookie.

Vontae Davis was on last years team and was the Dolphins 1st round draft pick.

I remember Danny Clark at Illinois but don't know what he has done in the NFL.

Eugene Wilson is a pretty damn good safety and won several Super Bowls as a starter on those Patriot Super Bowl teams. He is with Houston now.

[itsvon]

Iowa once had a guy named Paul Bradley go on the Ultimate Fighter, but Dana White kicked him off the show because he had a herpes outbreak on his face.

that is awesome.

[bgdog86]

wwe superstars?
Dallas Clark and Bob Sanders are the first 2 that come to mind.

Other noteables are Robert Mallory, Laddell Betts, Chad Greenway, and Nate Kaeding.

Iowa has 26 players in the NFL.

[bgdog86]

that is awesome.
Minnesota can claim "The Next Big Thing".

[Master Splinter]

Soooooo.......are we saying no to the Missouri Valley Idea?

[mjonns]

Soooooo.......are we saying no to the Missouri Valley Idea?
Mizzou could dominate there. in football and probably top 3 in bball every year. Im for it

[bgdog86]

Mizzou could dominate there. in football and probably top 3 in bball every year. Im for it
They'd dominate I-AA football! Maybe Missouri St. could be their big rival then!

[mjonns]

They'd dominate I-AA football! Maybe Missouri St. could be their big rival then!
yes, i would hope they could dominate the football. sad thing is they wouldnt in bball.

Gabe DeArmond posted on December 14, 2009 12:59
Gary Pinkel has said a number of times he has never looked at the number of stars next to a high school prospect's name. We're not saying he should, but if he's going to start, this might be a pretty good time.

Pinkel's Tigers secured commitments from four-star quarterback Tyler Gabbert, three-star safety Kenronte Walker and three-star running back Marcus Murphy over the weekend. But the commitment list wasn't done getting shiny. On Monday morning, Rivals.com updated its rankings and few programs got a bigger bump than Missouri. Gilmer (TX) athlete Tristan Holt was dubbed a four-star prospect while Henry Josey, Braylon Webb and Eric Waters all got three stars.

All told, the commitments and markups brought Missouri's 19-man recruiting class to the 17th-best in America according to Rivals.com. Only once in his time at Missouri has Pinkel had a class finish in the nation's top 25.

Here are the average star ratings for Missouri's past five classes:

2009: 2.8
2008: 2.875 (Brian Coulter was unrated)
2007: 2.89
2006: 2.5 (Charles Gaines was unranked and Aaron Cawlfield never signed)
2005: 2.83

This year, the average ranking for the 19 verbally committed prospects is 3.32. That's not an improvement. That's a quantam leap.

And the good news? It might get even better.

Four-star wide receiver Curtis Carter was on an official visit last weekend. He will decide between the Tigers and TCU after visiting Fort Worth this weekend. Three-star wideout Bud Sasser will make his trip to Columbia this weekend and then choose between Missouri and Arizona. Four-star receiver Marcus Lucas is the big fish left on the board. He will also be on campus for an official visit this weekend. Three star defensive backs Daniel Easterly and Dexter McDonald could join the fold as well (and actually bring Missouri's average star ranking down).

Bottom line, recruiting has taken that leap fans have hoped for years that it would. The Tigers have consistently outperformed their recruiting rankings on the field. In so doing, they've finished first or second in the North four years in a row and won at least eight games in each of those seasons. The stars might not be the be-all and end-all, but the teams that recruit the best from year to year generally also populate the BCS bowls and win titles. The Tigers look poised to join that group with their 2010 recruiting class.


Gabe DeArmond is the publisher of PowerMizzou.com, the Missouri site on the Rivals.com network. You can read his daily coverage of the Tigers and their recruiting efforts online at http://missouri.rivals.com.

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[bgdog86]

yes, i would hope they could dominate the football. sad thing is they wouldnt in bball.

Gabe DeArmond posted on December 14, 2009 12:59
Gary Pinkel has said a number of times he has never looked at the number of stars next to a high school prospect's name. We're not saying he should, but if he's going to start, this might be a pretty good time.

Pinkel's Tigers secured commitments from four-star quarterback Tyler Gabbert, three-star safety Kenronte Walker and three-star running back Marcus Murphy over the weekend. But the commitment list wasn't done getting shiny. On Monday morning, Rivals.com updated its rankings and few programs got a bigger bump than Missouri. Gilmer (TX) athlete Tristan Holt was dubbed a four-star prospect while Henry Josey, Braylon Webb and Eric Waters all got three stars.

All told, the commitments and markups brought Missouri's 19-man recruiting class to the 17th-best in America according to Rivals.com. Only once in his time at Missouri has Pinkel had a class finish in the nation's top 25.

Here are the average star ratings for Missouri's past five classes:

2009: 2.8
2008: 2.875 (Brian Coulter was unrated)
2007: 2.89
2006: 2.5 (Charles Gaines was unranked and Aaron Cawlfield never signed)
2005: 2.83

This year, the average ranking for the 19 verbally committed prospects is 3.32. That's not an improvement. That's a quantam leap.

And the good news? It might get even better.

Four-star wide receiver Curtis Carter was on an official visit last weekend. He will decide between the Tigers and TCU after visiting Fort Worth this weekend. Three-star wideout Bud Sasser will make his trip to Columbia this weekend and then choose between Missouri and Arizona. Four-star receiver Marcus Lucas is the big fish left on the board. He will also be on campus for an official visit this weekend. Three star defensive backs Daniel Easterly and Dexter McDonald could join the fold as well (and actually bring Missouri's average star ranking down).

Bottom line, recruiting has taken that leap fans have hoped for years that it would. The Tigers have consistently outperformed their recruiting rankings on the field. In so doing, they've finished first or second in the North four years in a row and won at least eight games in each of those seasons. The stars might not be the be-all and end-all, but the teams that recruit the best from year to year generally also populate the BCS bowls and win titles. The Tigers look poised to join that group with their 2010 recruiting class.


Gabe DeArmond is the publisher of PowerMizzou.com, the Missouri site on the Rivals.com network. You can read his daily coverage of the Tigers and their recruiting efforts online at http://missouri.rivals.com.

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Mizzou does have a great class coming in. I tell you what though....those 2 and 3 start kids out of Texas are as good as any.

[Flappy McB]

I didn't read all of the thread.

I think this would be a terrible idea. Mizzou belongs in the Big 12, I could care less how competitive they would be anywhere else. To not play KU and Nebraska every year would really suck.

[BfromV]

I didn't read all of the thread.

I think this would be a terrible idea. Mizzou belongs in the Big 12, I could care less how competitive they would be anywhere else. To not play KU and Nebraska every year would really suck.


You could still play KU every year.

[mjonns]

Mizzou does have a great class coming in. I tell you what though....those 2 and 3 start kids out of Texas are as good as any.
if you go to Rivals and search complete rankings by class, its amazing to see Mizzou on the front page with Texas, OU, USC and other big dogs. Better than Ohio St and others. Exciting

[Flappy McB]

You could still play KU every year.Still, it would be the wrong move. Suck it, Big 10.

[BfromV]

Still, it would be the wrong move. Suck it, Big 10.

Yeah! Nevermind it would probably be better for Mizzou! Fuck you, Big 10!

[Flappy McB]

Yeah! Nevermind it would probably be better for Mizzou! Fuck you, Big 10!The Big 10 would love to have MU there.

I wouldn't.

[mjonns]

Still, it would be the wrong move. Suck it, Big 10.
so we can stay in the big 12 and get shit on every year by all things already mentioned. TV revenue, bowl selection. Seriously if moving to the Big 10 alone gets us on TV every weekend, Im game. Watching 3 games a year (when we play tx or ou,or ku) on shitty fox sports is BS since I live 90 minutes for the state's major university.

[bgdog86]

if you go to Rivals and search complete rankings by class, its amazing to see Mizzou on the front page with Texas, OU, USC and other big dogs. Better than Ohio St and others. ExcitingIllinois was on their a few times and boy it really worked out well for them. Only Ron fucking Zook.

[mjonns]

Illinois was on their a few times and boy it really worked out well for them. Only Ron fucking Zook.
does this guy really suck at coaching that bad?

[bgdog86]

does this guy really suck at coaching that bad?Well he has had one good season. Up until the 2010 recruiting year he has been in the top 5 of the Big 10 in recruiting the past 4 or 5 years, yet beyond one year they have been at the bottom of the Big 10. To make matters worse, the Big 10 has been down on top of it. If you take 2007 out of the mix....Zook is 6-26 in the Big 10 and is 12-35 overall.

[mjonns]

Well he has had one good season. Up until the 2010 recruiting year he has been in the top 5 of the Big 10 in recruiting the past 4 or 5 years, yet beyond one year they have been at the bottom of the Big 10. To make matters worse, the Big 10 has been down on top of it. If you take 2007 out of the mix....Zook is 6-26 in the Big 10 and is 12-35 overall.
yeah, i would say he sucks then. man, I should be happy with Pinkel I guess. even though I think also wastes a lot of talent

[bgdog86]

yeah, i would say he sucks then. man, I should be happy with Pinkel I guess. even though I think also wastes a lot of talentI wouldn't say he wastes talent.....Pinkel just is a terrible in game coach. He has a good offensive scheme, he recruits well for his system, and he has built a solid program on that. His defensive mindset sucks though. They had the worst defense in the Big 12 last year and will have 3 guys from that defense in the NFL next year. How do you explain that? He really have never beaten anyone besides the teams he was supposed to beat. You'd think sooner or later he'd pull one out of his ass. Like you said though.....then again it could be Illinois. All that Pinkel does wrong, he does quite a bit right and Mizzou has a solid football program because of it.

[Art Vandelay]

Back to the original point. Bernie was mentioning Mizzou as a candidate for a big 10 expansion school. He didn't go into details other than why Mizzou would be a good fit. Same obvious stuff that was said here yesterday. Also ESPN Blogger Adam Rittenberg had a piece on this today. Saying that the league will begin to look into expansion. The exploration will take at least a year before any recomendation is made. It doesn't say if they would have a team in mind by then or not. So this is still a few years away.

[itsvon]

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121483924&ft=1&f=1001

[mjonns]

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121483924&ft=1&f=1001
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2009-12-15-big-ten-expansion_N.htm

the bottom half of the article addresses MU. not sure why either

[flatlander]

The more I think about it, the more I like Pitt as the 12th school. Solid athletics, right in the middle of the Big Ten academically, history-rich, research oriented and already a memeber of the Association of American Universities.

And they'd immediately become the crown jewel of the Big Ten in med programs.

So, who's everyone elses' pick/bet given the ramped up public acknowledgement that the Big Ten is out shopping for a new member.

[Art Vandelay]

The more I think about it, the more I like Pitt as the 12th school. Solid athletics, right in the middle of the Big Ten academically, history-rich, research oriented and already a memeber of the Association of American Universities.

And they'd immediately become the crown jewel of the Big Ten in med programs.

So, who's everyone elses' pick/bet given the ramped up public acknowledgement that the Big Ten is out shopping for a new member.

I really don't care for another 2 years.

[flatlander]

I really don't care for another 2 years.

You'll care when they announce that they're adding 2 new schools and dropping the Hawkeyes.

[BfromV]

This is actually huge news. I know this process will take 12 months, and while that seems like a long time, it's certainly not. I can't imagine that they won't at least talk to Mizzou, which would be outstanding. Give the university some leverage for better negotiations on TV money.

[flatlander]

This is actually huge news. I know this process will take 12 months, and while that seems like a long time, it's certainly not. I can't imagine that they won't at least talk to Mizzou, which would be outstanding. Give the university some leverage for better negotiations on TV money.

I'm sure Mizzou will be in the top 3-5 candidates. Paterno is pushing Rutgers, Syracuse and Pitt. Of those, I think Pitt is the move.

[RolandC]

I'm sure Mizzou will be in the top 3-5 candidates. Paterno is pushing Rutgers, Syracuse and Pitt. Of those, I think Pitt is the move.

Of those three, Pitt seems to be the only one to make sense at all.

[BfromV]

I'm sure Mizzou will be in the top 3-5 candidates. Paterno is pushing Rutgers, Syracuse and Pitt. Of those, I think Pitt is the move.

Well, I'll be. That's news to me. It would make sense, being that they're closer to Penn State. I was under the impression that Joe Pa' hated Pitt and refused to play them any more.

[mjonns]

Of those three, Pitt seems to be the only one to make sense at all.
i can see Pitt but does Pitt want to leave the Big East? That is the question I think. It's not like the Big 10 is that much better than the Big 10 that it would just automatically leave. I guess we will wait and see

I thought it was weird that they just went to Mizzou with no real transition into it. It was like Jo Pa wants these three and then the next paragraph was like so we called a rep at Mizzou

[st. louisville cards]

Why is the assumption that schools want to go into the Big 10? If you are Pitt, Rutgers, or Syracuse you are in the premier basketball conference in the country. While the Big East is still a work in progress as a Football conference, it gets an automatic BCS bid, and only 8 teams are playing. Its an ideal situation to build a dominate football team.
Does the Big 10 generate more revenue than other conferences?

On the football field and basketball court the Big 10 seems to be living on its reputation more than anything, its had some pretty bad years in football and basketball this decade.

[itsvon]

I thought it was weird that they just went to Mizzou with no real transition into it. It was like Jo Pa wants these three and then the next paragraph was like so we called a rep at Mizzou

yeah, its weird that they only reported talking to 2 people. one was paterno who suggested a few teams. and the other was mizzou? youd think they would have called rutgers, pitt, or cuse.

[Littie]

Why is the assumption that schools want to go into the Big 10? If you are Pitt, Rutgers, or Syracuse you are in the premier basketball conference in the country. While the Big East is still a work in progress as a Football conference, it gets an automatic BCS bid, and only 8 teams are playing. Its an ideal situation to build a dominate football team.
Does the Big 10 generate more revenue than other conferences?

On the football field and basketball court the Big 10 seems to be living on its reputation more than anything, its had some pretty bad years in football and basketball this decade.

They do have their own network. I would assume that each school gets a cut of that revenue. And with this network, The Big Ten teams are on TV all the time.

[Chief]

Ok, I've resisted for 234 posts.....

Every time we have a discussion about the Big Ten, all the Mizzou homers bash it up and down for shitty football and terrible boring basketball.

Why does everyone think its a good idea to join now?

[itsvon]

Ok, I've resisted for 234 posts.....

Every time we have a discussion about the Big Ten, all the Mizzou homers bash it up and down for shitty football and terrible boring basketball.

Why does everyone think its a good idea to join now?

a better chance at being conference champs?

[Chief]

a better chance at being conference champs?

I'd agree with that.

[itsvon]

I'd agree with that.

more games on television?

[st. louisville cards]

Ok, I've resisted for 234 posts.....

Every time we have a discussion about the Big Ten, all the Mizzou homers bash it up and down for shitty football and terrible boring basketball.

Why does everyone think its a good idea to join now?
I'm not a Mizzou homer. Since I was born and raised here I do root for Mizzou, but only after Louisville.

I'm not a Big Ten Basher either.
I'm simply wondering why the assumption is that all these teams named would want to Join the Big Ten. I don't see any conference as being superior to any other, they all go through cycles of quality.

The Reason Mizzou fans are talking about it, is because Mizzou's deal with the Big 12 seems to be screwing them a bit. Its not about which conference Mizzou thinks is better.

[itsvon]

actually ive been hoping to see mizzou end up in a bowl with one of the power houses of the big 10. just to see how they do against some of the best in other conferences. its obvious they cant beat the top teams in the big 12 south. if they cant beat the top teams in other conferences, then we know where they stand.

[Hawkeye]

The Reason Mizzou fans are talking about it, is because Mizzou's deal with the Big 12 seems to be screwing them a bit. Its not about which conference Mizzou thinks is better.

Are any of the Mizzou fans on this board traveling (or traveled) to any of the recent bowl games? I hate to say it, but it isn't the Big 12 that is screwing them, but its because of the lack of fans that travel to bowl games. A shitty Iowa State team will get more people to travel to Tempe than what Mizzou would.

[Flappy McB]

Are any of the Mizzou fans on this board traveling (or traveled) to any of the recent bowl games? I hate to say it, but it isn't the Big 12 that is screwing them, but its because of the lack of fans that travel to bowl games. A shitty Iowa State team will get more people to travel to Tempe than what Mizzou would.No shit.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/fbc/6764471.html

[st. louisville cards]

No shit.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/fbc/6764471.html

Louisville made it to the Humanitarian Bowl in 1999 and a lot of fans bought their tickets online or through the Humanitarian Bowl, not through UofL. The Combo of a crappy bowl in halfway across the country in Boise (not a lot of direct Louisville to Boise flights) and fans not buying through the University, gave them an undeserved reputation as a team that doesn't travel well. I think the same thing happened to Mizzou.

[BfromV]

Are any of the Mizzou fans on this board traveling (or traveled) to any of the recent bowl games? I hate to say it, but it isn't the Big 12 that is screwing them, but its because of the lack of fans that travel to bowl games. A shitty Iowa State team will get more people to travel to Tempe than what Mizzou would.

I've been to two, two conference championships, and I usually always hit up one road game. I go with a pretty good sized group to all of these.

The "we don't travel" stuff is bull shit. We always have a good presence at games.

[flatlander]

Why is the assumption that schools want to go into the Big 10? If you are Pitt, Rutgers, or Syracuse you are in the premier basketball conference in the country. While the Big East is still a work in progress as a Football conference, it gets an automatic BCS bid, and only 8 teams are playing. Its an ideal situation to build a dominate football team.
Does the Big 10 generate more revenue than other conferences?

On the football field and basketball court the Big 10 seems to be living on its reputation more than anything, its had some pretty bad years in football and basketball this decade.

There's also some academic reputation to consider. All member of the Big Ten are in the AAU and they have the CIC, both well-respected collaborations of research universities. In the Big East, Pitt is in the minority as an AAU member.

And Pitt is the second highest university in the Big East in endowments and external research grants. In the Big Ten, they'd be right in the middle.

[Hawkeye]

I've been to two, two conference championships, and I usually always hit up one road game. I go with a pretty good sized group to all of these.

The "we don't travel" stuff is bull shit. We always have a good presence at games.

I am not 'against' Mizzou at alll. I just don't see any other reason why Iowa State was picked over Mizzou. I think changing that perception would be a big step in the right direction to getting better bowls and your Athletic Director is the person that needs to lobby to the bowls to get that perception changed.

[BfromV]

I am not 'against' Mizzou at alll. I just don't see any other reason why Iowa State was picked over Mizzou. I think changing that perception would be a big step in the right direction to getting better bowls and your Athletic Director is the person that needs to lobby to the bowls to get that perception changed.

The reason why is simple (yet idiotic): The last time ISU went to the Insight, they brought 20K fans. There was a reason for it. That was their first bowl game in like 25 fucking years. The fans were excited. In this day and age, bowls (especially smaller ones) are scared shitless they won't make enough money. So, in their feeble minds, they went with the "sure thing."

Now, I know for a fact that MU lobbied good and hard to get into the Insight Bowl. They burned up the fucking phone lines. So, it's not their fault the team got bypassed... It's the idiotic rules that the shitbox Big XII offices establish. They simply do NOT stick up for teams in their conference outside of the big four -- UT, OU, TAMU, and NU.

[Art Vandelay]

Why is the assumption that schools want to go into the Big 10? If you are Pitt, Rutgers, or Syracuse you are in the premier basketball conference in the country. While the Big East is still a work in progress as a Football conference, it gets an automatic BCS bid, and only 8 teams are playing. Its an ideal situation to build a dominate football team.
Does the Big 10 generate more revenue than other conferences?

On the football field and basketball court the Big 10 seems to be living on its reputation more than anything, its had some pretty bad years in football and basketball this decade.

I wouldn't say the Big 10 has been poor in Basketball this decade. And Yes, I think the Big 10 makes the most money of all the conferences.

[Art Vandelay]

The reason why is simple (yet idiotic): The last time ISU went to the Insight, they brought 20K fans. There was a reason for it. That was their first bowl game in like 25 fucking years. The fans were excited. In this day and age, bowls (especially smaller ones) are scared shitless they won't make enough money. So, in their feeble minds, they went with the "sure thing."

Now, I know for a fact that MU lobbied good and hard to get into the Insight Bowl. They burned up the fucking phone lines. So, it's not their fault the team got bypassed... It's the idiotic rules that the shitbox Big XII offices establish. They simply do NOT stick up for teams in their conference outside of the big four -- UT, OU, TAMU, and NU.

Sorry to break it to you, but the big 10 would do the same thing.