Schnuck's new Ballwin store...

[Butler Hill Road]

This schnucks on butler hill is a dump. They ripped out the video dept about a year ago and there's still just a hole there. much like ball park village. pull the trigger on something will you! jeeze! How about a liquor dept. Most other stores have a really nice liquor dept. We get an isle. Come on now. Fix it.

[Master Splinter]

Originally Posted by rutkap

what is the worry here? that the traffic from schnucks will overrun the school? It is not like the kids walk home from school anymore. the soccer moms will go to schnucks first, pick up the kids second and everyone will be happy. It is not like people from all over are going to be rushing to the store around 3:00 and causing huge traffic problems.

Actually, a lot of kids do walk home from Marquette. I see them everyday. I follow them.

[Wad]

Originally Posted by rutkap

The soccer moms will be happy that it is there when they pick up their kids from school. 2 birds - 1 stone. Ballwin gets some extra tax dollars and everyone will be happy in the long run. Good work by the board for not wilting on something that is clearly a win-win for the community.

Originally Posted by Wad

And you live where???

Creve Coeur? Thought so.

Originally Posted by Master Splinter

They already have a Schnucks in Ballwin.

Yes, and seven other grocers within 3 miles. Bottom line, this was a case of a city going against those directly affected by this development and caving to big business for the almighty buck. It was a big "fuck you" to their constituents. Might be different if there was a large faction of residents who were for this.

[rutkap]

Originally Posted by rutkap

what is the worry here? that the traffic from schnucks will overrun the school? It is not like the kids walk home from school anymore. the soccer moms will go to schnucks first, pick up the kids second and everyone will be happy. It is not like people from all over are going to be rushing to the store around 3:00 and causing huge traffic problems.

one point of clarification - there wont be any real additional traffic during school hours. The people already commuting that route will still be commuting that route, they will just have another option other than the dierbergs a half mile away at clayton and clarkson. it is not like people will be driving off manchester road to go to this new mecca of shopping.

[007]

They've already ordered the Arnold Palmer...

[nxtgr81]

We refer to Ballwin as the "West County Ghetto"

[rutkap]

Originally Posted by Wad

Creve Coeur? Thought so.



Yes, and seven other grocers within 3 miles. Bottom line, this was a case of a city going against those directly affected by this development and caving to big business for the almighty buck. It was a big "fuck you" to their constituents. Might be different if there was a large faction of residents who were for this.

400 people out of a community of 75,000 people? You think Schnucks wants to build a store that would not be profitable? If the 7 other grocery stores had saturated the market they would not want to build it.

I do not see what the big deal is here. I have a friend that lives a half mile from there and he is looking forward to having a store so close.

[flatlander]

Originally Posted by Wad

Creve Coeur? Thought so.



Yes, and seven other grocers within 3 miles. Bottom line, this was a case of a city going against those directly affected by this development and caving to big business for the almighty buck. It was a big "fuck you" to their constituents. Might be different if there was a large faction of residents who were for this.

So how did the board cave? Did they approve some whacked out zoning variance or approve some controversial TIF district to start this?

[Master Splinter]

Originally Posted by flatlander

So how did the board cave? Did they approve some whacked out zoning variance or approve some controversial TIF district to start this?

THey didn't cave. The people voted against it, and the board basically said "Well, too bad. We've got final say" and approved it.

[flatlander]

Originally Posted by Master Splinter

THey didn't cave. The people voted against it, and the board basically said "Well, too bad. We've got final say" and approved it.

I don't see where the people voted, though. The planning and zoning board recommended to not approve and Rockwood schools wrote a letter opposing.